I've disseceted animals before; you'll get used to it.

i agree. testing it on animals isnt really horrible as long as there is limits. dont just abuse the testing. the test should have a purpose too.

I love cruelty towards animals. It's quite fun.

SAVE THE ANIMALS!!!!

EAT THE PEOPLE!!!!

im only cruel to insects and spiders. i like taking their legs apart. torturing them, it is fun. once i drowned 200 cicadas in HOT water. hahaha they died instantly. also i breed some cockcroaches and killed them and their babies and watch them living for more than a week without air and without a head. torturing animals isnt fun, but torturing BUGS is FUN. BUWAHHAHA. im quite sadistical towards bugs.

yeah and i was saying that only 2 chromosomes separate us

Hmmmmm animals caught then tested on NO....but if an animal was raised for it...well then i dunno...i mean i dont like it but would you rather it be tested on say your kids or siblings, parents, granddparents or ne one in your family.....think bout it survival of the fittest......

But for Cats......TEST AWAY.....i say use them as crash test dummys for nething and everything...like MOBILE TNT......i hate cats

i think animal experiments are okay. animals are animals. we use them to better human life. i dont see anything wrong.

I hate PETA. They support terrorism. They give money to terrorists.

I did not know that.

Anyway, I like PETA only because they have good intentions towards animals. But I think they're too extreme... A little TOO MUCH or extreme amount of anything is bad.

Its a valid point.. I'm just not happy with the "animals are animals" statement.. WE, as humans are animals..

And.. speaking from a Darwin point of view.. animal testing would be alright.. because its survival of the fittest.. those animals die to better our lives.. (cruel but sad truth of nature)

there are a couple misconceptions about animal testing:


1. misconception: that animals are different from humans in every way such that we can't learn from them.
truth: mice have similar nervous systems, primates are very similar. we have been able to infect chimpanzees with HIV. notice the Human in the Human immunodeficency virus. we can learn a lot from animals.

2. myth: animals are tested for things that we already know about, like caffine and other drugs.
truth: most of the time animal testing is for new combinations, or for treatments. or for studies that would be unethical on humans.

like, how would you study what caffine during pregnacy affects a fetus with humans? go get whores and get the pregnat and feed the caffine and another group none and then abort the babies when you're done?

you have to use animals.

3. myth: animals are mistreated.
fact: they can be, if they are completely privately operated. but if they have government funding, they have to follow strict regulations.

animals must be given: proper air conditioning, adequet room for movement, ventilation, adequete food and water (unless the expirement deals with it). they must not be mistreated or abused.

the government has agencys that drop in to labs and checks. without telling them when they'll be there.




yes, the cosmetic industry does give a bad name to animal testing.

but it's necicary.

point in case: fountain of youth mascara (not sure if the name is correct. but it really happened)
this product was not animal tested.

it was sold, and thousands of people used it. till they felt the burning.

if you got a tiny bit of it in your eyes, it would burn. some 500+ people eventually went blind.

no rebuttals?

I agree that animal testing is an integral part of science and medicine and I'm sure others realize that as well.

For the most part, I'm more concerned with how these animals are treated and how the testing process is done.

For every animal you save, I'm going to eat 3.

I certainly hope you're kidding about that..

Bring 'em all, pandas, zebras, monkeys, I'll eat 'em all.

... no comment.. anyone have anything constructive to bring to this debate? i think this one's pretty much done..

[FONT=Arial] its sad =/ how would you feel if someone uses stuff on u? not good at all.

Honestly I think rats r the best to use, but i agree, They should b treated well and they need to be treated if something goes wrong.

and how would you feel if you have no medicine for your illness because everything is in "testing" stage? (it would take forever to find a cure if there wasn't a test subject).

Have you consider looking on at all point of views?

But rats arent good test subjects for some things because they're not very similar to us

Actually they are. Obviously thats why humans use them for studying. Bring on the zebras. I'll eat it in 10 minutes.

that made me laugh. That's why we do it to animals, so they don't do it to us.




=D

Wait.. so for every one saved, AntiAnodyne eats 3, and for everyone they dont eat.. nas eats another 3.. yeah.. mass extinction right there..

lol.

rats are very similar to humans. i dissected one, and we didn't have a rat model so we used the human one. everything is in the same place, except the gall blader, which they don't have.

mice have nervous systems very similar to humans. they get parkinsans, huntingtons, and other genetic nervous disorders.

the point is (for med, there are lives that can be saved, but to make sure that we're saving them and not killing them, we have to test the product on animals.

for cosmetics, its so the users don't get hurt. every cosmetic's ingredients have been tested on animals. the ones that say not tested on animals just uses ingredients already found safe. through animal testing.

The med use is unavoidable and very legitimate.. as for cosmetics..

Ok, I believe in Darwinism and survival of the fittest and all... but do we realli need to take the lives of animals to further erm.. what's a good word.. glorify ourselves with cosmetics?

Hell, no.
I think animals are about as equal as humans are.
They breathe, sleep, and have their own purpose on this earth.
I think they deserve to live, and I don't think you should take an innocent animal and then just start conducting experiments on it.

How would you like it..?.. your life where your only purpose is to provide results to snooty scientists who only care about making money..

That'd suck..

for all those who are against animal testing, particularily by the cosmetic industry, i have something for you.

an eyedrop- never tested on animals!! no animals harmed.

oops. how was i supposed to know that acid(just example, put some weird new chemical here) wasn't a moisturizer? hmm... i could have found out if i had used animal subjects, but last year, PETA (the terrorist group) bombed my laborotory and killed a scientist. so now i don't use animal testing.

so you're all dead and the animals are alive. and i'm laughing. survival of the fittest.

ANIMAL TESTING IS WRONG. THE ANIMALS GET NERVOUS AND GIVE ALL THE WRONG ANSWERS.

it's either you or the animals that are going to be the geuinia pigs for new cosmetics, medicines, exc.

so, who's going to live?

you or the animals?

P.S.
it story with the lab is fictional. the point of that was to show you that people get hurt when things aren't tested on animals.

NO, NO and lets c- um.. NO!

How about:

DO RESEARCH, DO RESEARCH and lets c- um... DO RESEARCH!

Haha, too lazy

And besides.. it looks like you've pretty much sealed this one.. I'm afraid of debating against you on this

I'm not arguing. Heck, I can't even pick a side. Trust me when I say that I love animals, but I love humanity as well. It's just that I don't like people to jumping to conclusions because of their sentiments. I'm guilty of that... but at least I limit myself.

Haha I can't pick on many of these topics either.. I just see what people are arguing for and try to improv the other side

for the most part, no. i loveee animals, ive got a hecka lotta pets, but then what do we test on, do you really wanna risk the life or well being of a human, just because you dont want to hurt an animal? I don't think thats right either, so i suppose it depends on your situation

Right On!



Ah, that's too hard... I can't argue for something I don't agree with.

I do it poorly


And yes, its our sympathy that makes us care for these animals.. but sympathy is often overridden when you're threatened with a grave illness.. natural survival instincts start to kick in there

i'm an animal luver. animals have as much right to live on this planet as us. why the hell are we treating them like this?! why is it ok to experiment with rabbits and mice?? why not lawyers n politicians??

Please refer to previous posts for your answer, thanks.

i think in some ways yes. b/c they cant test on humans then animals are the next best thing. dont get me wrong i luv animals, i have two dogs and a bird who i luv dearly but sum things have to be sacrifice for the better of others.

Exactly.. the last statement "sum things have to be sacrificed for the [welfare] of others"

Its survival of the fittest.. their lives or ours.. take your pick.

personally, i think it would be fun to deprive a PETA fanatic from all animal tested products.

they wouldn't be able to use the microwave, cell phones, TVs, bandages, antibiotics, any soap (except lye), any cosmetics (even those said not tested on animals, because it's just tested in parts), any medical technology.

it'd be fun to see how long they live.

well, wtf.. are we gonna test it on humans? would YOU volunteer? :T

...there ar eother useful stuffs..

one thing people tout as a replacemet to animal testing is in vitro testing

the problem is you need a living system. in vitro testing is just in the enviromet you create in te test tube.

there is only one way to test on a living system. that is to test on something alive. and that's either a human or an animal.

Erm.. can you explain in vitro in more detail?

in vitro means under glass

in vitro testing is testing in a test tube, petri dish, or other laboratory controled environment,

however, this is not a living system so that it cannot be used in place of a living system, I.E. an animal.

Exactly.. so how does that solve the problem?

it doesn't. my point was that there is no substitute to using live animals.

Oh.. gotcha

Animal testing is like saying, oh, ill shave and cut a mouse's or rabbit's skin to try some detergent. or force open a rabbits eye wth no tearducts to ease the pain, immobolize them, and kill them to test some household cleaning element.