So... I want to see waht this forum is like politically.

I lean towards liberal...but i don't agree with every single thing.

i'm leaning more to the conservative side.

IMHO there's also a growing and definite split within the conservative camp between traditional conservatives (like me, now mostly grouped with libertarians) and what we commonly call "neo-conservatives" like most of the Republcian Party.

Leaning towards the conservative side no matter what you say, Minda.

moderate. both sides have their pros and cons.

whats that mean...? yea.. i really dont know

i also learn toward liberal, but i know a lot of liberals are dumbasses.

woo hoo!! We just talked about this in English class today, and I really never knew what in the world either were (yes, i know, pathetic) but anyways, I'm a liberal, and proud of it

What are you confused about exactly?

I'm gonna post notes that we took in English class on here, kay? These are like really left wing and really right wing, and they may be exaggerations, but here we go... Just so some of you can get an idea of what each of these groups are like kinda... or the basis of each i guess


Liberalism
*Progressivism
*Green Party or Democratic Party
*Pro-Choice
*Higher Taxes for social programs
*Seperation of church and state
*More government involvement in business
*Everyone wealthier if gov't is involved
*against death penalty--immoral, vengeful, ineffective
*War as a last resort-- doves
*Conservation of environment
*More lenient regarding immigration
*Question the 2nd amendment (the right to bear arms) because guns lead to violence, widespread death, etc.
*They're for scientific exploration
*Freedom of speech--all speech protected
*For gay marriages---right to choose
*Less walthy

Conservatism
*Republicans
*Pro-Life
*Prayer in school
*Against Gay Marriages
*traditional morality
*For the 2nd amendent
*Low taxes
*Small gov't
*Laissez faire-- let do
*Private ownership
*For death penalty-- "an eye for an eye"
*Against cloning-- unnatural, playing god, goes against traditiona beliefs
*Wealthy
*Controlled immigration
*Sound science
*Religious in schools
*Policemen of the world
*Affirmative action
*War viewed as partiotic (hawks)

Yeah:
liberals - more government
conservatives - less government

There are just as many conservative dumbasses.

I tend to lean towards the liberal end of the political spectrum.

I'm a conservative.

liberal - democratic
conservative - republican

liberal : for the general welfare
conservative : for the common deffense


I lean twoards the liberal side more

Aw hun! I didn't mean you!

The liberal-conservative split is too simplistic to describe politics, really. It makes it seem like there's only two sides to any given issue. There are in fact, many groups of ideologies. Liberals are split mainly into liberals and socialists, while what we consider conservatives are either traditional conservatives or neo-conservatives. Meanwhile, there's libertarianism and alot of other derivative ideas that don't belong in either liberal nor conservative.

I honestly didnt know what a liberal or a conservative was until I read this post... how sad is that?

lol well after reading it, i'd say that i'm mostly a liberal, there're a few things on the conservative side i like, but more liberal am i...

Politically, I'm a liberal.
Personally, I'm moderate.
But, I voted liberal since this is about my "political" standpoint.

exactly what I am=)

Democratic, so I am with those that are liberal... but I also do fall with some of that are Conservative... so I guess like Acid said.. I'm a Liberal Conservative =)

yea where is libertarian?

i guess i'll call myself a liberal conservative.

and vote twic... nevermind that doens't work does it?

Liberal Conservative... or Conservative Liberal?

I'm not too fond of political classifications because they seem like another way to divide the country. I agreed with Kerry during the elections and I also agreed with Bush, but they both were full of it to an extent.

So am I a Liberal Cons---, whatever, you get the point.

Conservative... all the way.

Alothough i belive that I do live in AMERICA... where every1 has the right to thier own opinion... so im not gonna be hating on any Liberals.

whoah, this was brought back. i saw minda's old username and was like "whaaat?"

compleeeetely liberal here. woot.

moderate. i have a bad habit of seeing the advantages and disadvanted of both sides, and not being able to make a sound decision between

Moderate conservative.

I flex on issues such as gay marriage, and cloning. I'm a little more die-hard concerning abortion and capital punishment.

I also pray that taxes never reach Clintonian levels and that laissez-faire economic strategy is always used in our system.

And I'll fight for those views until my last day.

EDIT:

I guess the 'moderate' should be dumbed down a bit. I'm actually pretty hardcore conservative most of the time. But it's more like this...

Social issues: moderate conservative, quite flexible.
Economic issues: the conservative ideology is always better, and I get hardcore about it.

major liberal, and i will wave thae flag till the day i die

^ yay james! the male version of me.

^^

indeed.i bet buffy was a liberal

liberal =)

big suprise

im definitely liberal and anti-bush. i dont believe in war...and im democratic.

^being liberal doesnt always = anti bush....well most of the time it does but hey.....

lol...if only this topic was made last month...i had a hw based on this

I had a discussion with my grandfather about liberals and conservatives and he put in real simple terms..

Those of us that claim to be such liberals now, are going to be conservatives in the future, even if we don't admit to it. And those of us that are such stiff lipped conservatives are going to be even more stiff lipped for the next generation.

^how are we going to be conservatives in the future?

because you have basically the same beliefs, but the world gets more liberal.

making the now moderates conservative, and the now liberals moderate.

unless the world started getting conservative...

then you'd get more liberal.

sadolakced acid couldn't have explained it better.

^^

but whose to say that your beliefs cant adapt and change over time?

Thats the point I'm making.

Over time, the liberals will eventually seem less liberal.

I lean much more to the Conservative side, I might be crazy but i'm not crazy enough to be liberal

excuse me?

yes, i second that excuse me! whats wrong with liberals?

I'm more liberal.. :D

I wasn't saying there was anything wrong with being liberal. I am just not that "crazy/radical" to be a liberal

crazy liberals are the best.

sure, some things i don't agree with. but they're more crazy in the way i like it. yea. babbling. ignore me.

You crazy conservatives!

So I guess us conservative liberals (or liberal conservatives, I prefer the ladder) are left to fend for ourselves.

crazy conservative and proud of it!

definitely more liberal.

I'm a liberal.