The media is saying that Nicholas Berg (the guy beheaded) had chosen to be killed for his country.
What do you think about this?

Uh, the media says alot of things.

What comes from the media usually has a core of truth.

What comes from the media is usually spins on popular subjects that people will tune in to. media is 90% money making, 10% fact finding.

But the United States offered him a trip home...he refused...

i'm just saying don't site the media as an information source, wait for the facts to leak. people push around crack pot theories all the time in the "media". I could care less if he was a martyr, some guy being beheaded in some far away place that doesn't directly concern me doesn't bother me much. Worse things happen all the time.

Heh...wait...are you saying you did not care for him?!

The same way i don't "care" about starving children in 3rd world countries. Sure i think about it and how it must suck, but it passes.

Yes, but this deals directly with our country - one of our own civilians.

i don't feel this man's life or death will ever affect my life and it's future, so therefore i find no need to argue on his behalf as being a martyr or not.

uh...yeah. *strolls off the topic*

Ah okay I see what you mean. Still, do you feel any remorse for him at all? Did you watch the video?

no,i haven't seen the video. anyone got a link for it?
PM it to me or IM it on AIM to "wildgriffin182" since this is a pg-13 forum...don't want 11 year olds clicking on the link.

The media lies alot of the time and blows things out of proportion. Also the Us officails said that they never negotiated or anything and them negotiating would have been the only way for him to get out of the captures hands

I was using the media as a basis for this debate, not something to depend on.
Agh, I doubt he wanted to be killed. And I think Berg's father said something how he never got the CHANCE to return.. and go on a trial. [CNN.]

He was CHOSEN? I thought he was just there for business and they randomly caught and beheaded him.

BUT...His life could have been spared if they traded him with the captured iraqui soilders, but the americans refused.

I still respect him for what he's done.

He was there because he did something wrong. THen was stuck there without trial for 13 days.

He didn't chose to die.
If he did, then why was he screaming?

- Chinkieeyedpnoi

please the guy was a loser.

In what way, may I ask?

Ditto.


- Chinkieeyedpnoi

I don't think you are intitled to call Mr. Berg a loser unless if you personally know him, which I seriously think you do not.

And if YOU were to be beheaded, would you want people calling YOU a loser? I think not.

Jewishbabeygirl87 - stop posting things that have no reasons behind them!

Also, more onto this Nicholas Berg case...has anyone read/seen the news lately? This story gets even odder other than the fact that he wanted to stay there when the U.S. told him to come back...he has an uncle who lives in Iraq, who supposedly didn't want him to come. Moreover, Zacharriah (can't spell his name), the one who had direct links to 9/11, was using his e-mail account in Oklahoma...what do you think of this? This just raises my questions about him: is he as innocent as we think he is? I dunno...I suppose I have to read more into this...

Jewishbabeygirl87

i now hate you. i watched that video, and im like..scarred for life now. those sick f*cks held his head in front of the camera for like a full minute. omg it was horrifying. i feel sorry for his family if they had to watch that.

I may be misinformed..but all i read was that he went there to go help set some antennas up or something..and then he was held in jail or something for a while because he was suspected of doing some suspicious ish.. and then he was let go. and the us told him to go home but he didnt want to, and then he was captured by those sick sick people and publicly decapitated. you could hear him dying.

edit:// erf. i dunno what to think anymore http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/4FF...079E91F2784.htm

I was about to point that out too

US offered him a ride home months before...


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Same here. That wasn't just sick, it proves what kind of people we're dealing with:cold-blooded, sadistical, and down right evil.

I second that last statement, uninspiredfae. They're animals.

http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/4FF...079E91F2784.htm

So there's a conspiracy theory now?

So confusing. I wish Berg could come out in people's dream and tell them what happened.

i would rather not have nightmares about that video. thanks.

Well I didn't necessary refer to the video, but just Berg himself.
What kind of nonsense was this that I said, lol. How silly I am.
Anyways back to the topic..

er... ok me and nick just talked about this. but he reviewed the video. i chose not to, but i remember it well enough. at first glance.. the first time you watch it.. you think its gonna be real. so you naturally freak out because you think thats a real human being getting his head chopped off..

but think about this. he didnt move. he didnt wriggle. not even a trace of an instinctive flinch. and he was grabbed by the hair and thown down. there were no tendons. no blood. the spinal cord doesnt severe that easily and quickly from a machete. and if the artery was cut there would be serious amounts of blood gushing and spurting out. but there wasnt. there was this clean cut head. the old pic of him doesnt look like the guy in the video. it looks all plastic-y.

god forbid me if it really is true though and he was really beheaded. but yeah.. think about it..

it has to be a fake, the blood couldnt have been held inside the body. if the neck is severed, you also sever many veins and arteries, also a vital vessel in the neck. blood would be everywhere, however - the video, the floor is clean, and the head does not move an inch, no blood drips down. the technology they used is pretty modern, too. puppet theathre.
[edit] also, why would a private be wandering iraq by himself? why is the executioner's face covered if everybody knows who is he? pro-war pigs, everyone. thats all it is.

I saw a puddle of blood on the floor where he was hacking away at the neck.

then again, my version of the video was blurry.

I was thinking about moving, and I thought up something: perhaps he was drugged in order for them to make it easier to tape the video.

Also, I don't know what video Jose watched, but he said it was clear, and that he actually saw the guy blink and he saw it ripping through. Perhaps there's a fake one going around?

there should have been massive amounts, and not just on the floor, all over his jumpsuit, and some should have dripped from his brain.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discu...d=1592067&page=

Heh...even if it was fake, they definitely decapitated him...they found his body...

the video was a pro-war propaganda in a way, though.

We will never know the truth, but it did incensed me though.

We might if we're able to catch one of those guys and force it out of them.

Oh, yes, Nick, very true...unfortunately.

this is actually very interesting... they found his body, yes... but they didn't find his head...







IN response to that article... he does sort of look dead... doesn't he...



GROSS. I didn't watch the actual video because i didn't want to see a dead person!!! I saw the cut video because i thought that would be enough!!


I am SO distured OMG.

I haven't watched the video cause I don't have realOne player hahas oh well. It's wrong how the US (IF it was them) would try to fake a video to make it seem that Iraq is just as bad as the US military people who harassed the Iraqi POWs... >_<"

i am so distraught.

they are animals.
wait i thought that we just destroyed their contry. they killed one person, maybe horribly, but it is much less that what we have done to them.
we invaded their home contry.

besides he was asked to leave for his public saftey. i dont feel bad for that guy. he knew the dangers. yet he came anyway. it really shows that he didnt care about his family if he didnt want to go haome, but knew that the iraqis would put his death on tv[duh they alwasy do].by loser i mean that he was offered the chance to come home and decide not to take it. in that i have no sypathy.

and go right ahead and hate me. like i care about what you[someone who doesnt even know me] thinks of me.

that may have not been the case.

you're heartless. If the video was not a fake, are you saying a innocent person could be put to death in such a manner? No matter what the situation or what his decision was... no person deserves to die that way, especially publicly. Just the thought that people could be that way makes me sick. It's not okay... and it's not okay that those people even came up with that idea...

time to break a rule in the debate forum.

are you that ignorant, imperceptive and torpic to call him unfeeling and that he doesn't care about his family? the video was a fake. berg was beheaded, but the video that was released was a fake. did you ever consider why he stayed in iraq instead of returning home? maybe he wanted not to be a coward, and return to his country after all that it's provided for him? you have no "sypathy" for an innocent man that was beheaded? if you meant sympathy, how can you not? you must be pretty imperturbable, if you don't feel anything towards berg.

go ahead and start cursing. like i care about what some little ten year old jewish girl who isnt even jewish thinks.

Very well said, Nick. <3. I applaud you!

WHAT!?

How dare you call him a loser! How do you know that he DIDN"T CARE FOR HIS FAMILIY!?

Yes, even though he was offered to go back to america, he wanted to stay in Iraq to help the Iraquis out. THAT WAS WHAT HE WAS THERE FOR IN THE FIRST PLACE!!! He had the heart to stay and help people that needed him most. Not his family, but the Iraqis.

Do you have no heart for an innocent man that was beheaded!? Especially if he is one of us?

How can you call yourslef an american?

i agree with the first part thats in huge font....but the rest is cruel dont u think?...