HEH i can beat that easily...


i knoe that there IS a God!!!! try beatin THAT.....

now THIS is masterful debate.

No, there isn't. Your turn.

so ur blaming all that on christians? huh? and actually we are not ALWAYS wrong...u cant say you're perfect...and im definately NOT going to believe i came from a microscopic organism....thats just bs

u dont know what your talking about...wait till you die....you'll see

Actually you can't see after you die. So I won't see, and neither will you.

SOOOWWWYYYYYY!!!

hey, so u dont belive in an afterlife or ani of that? do u belive in a life after death?

nay, none of it

You know all those people that say that they saw the "light", those victims that where close to death. Did you guys know that we have 12 minutes left in our brain after we die(only if you died with out getting you're head blowned up), we don't breath, don't move or make any intentional reactions but we know whats going on. Maybe in those 12 minutes we make our own hell or heaven. I mean do you notice how some times you fall asleep and it seems like hours but it's been 10 minutes? Maybe if you feel you lived you're life well and did what ever you could possible to make it great you go to you're own heaven. Or maybe if you feel you had a bad life and didn't enjoy it much and didn't do what ever possible to make those who you once loved happy, you go to you're firey pit of hell. Just a thought, i thought about this 10 min ago. While i was sleeping..

Sal-

so u believe when sume1 dies u r just gone?forever? have u ever had sume1 close to u die?? im sry but i have to know how can u EVER let go of the body if u dunt believe there is possibly the spirit in a better place that u can possible c again? how can u believe that? i never understood this...the only thing that can comfort me when sume1 dies is the believe n having faith that they r with Jesus if they knew Him n that i will c them again......how can u walk out of ur house thinking if u die ur just gone...forget all ur loved ones.....b/c u believe hey ok now thats is......im sorry but at least other religions believe there is SOME kinda godly figure that will keep them with them.....but how can u ever believe in nothing and truly in ur heart not believe ur assured a place with God

Sure.

I believe that sometimes, and sometimes I don't. I'm open for suggestions... erm, logical ones. Well, maybe not so logical...

Why not just die and be gone forever? That's fine with me. And your questsion about someone being close to me die? I have a big family.... BIG (my Mother being the 12th child)... Do you think everyone in my family is healthy?



It's hard, very hard, BUT LIFE GOES ON. What? If you know they're just gone, you'll be soooo very depressed and die with them? You can't face the world without them?



Belief is a powerful thing. You don't have to understand it and you CAN'T understand it even if you try, so don't try to, just like we don't care that much to understand your religion...



The thing that comforts me when someone dies is knowing that they've been a good person in their life and had made a difference in the world. That's all there is to it. They deserve to be remembered as a cherished memory, but where they are in the afterlife has very little to do with anything.



LOL, I don't walk out of my house fearing death every second. That's silly. I walk out of my house thinking how I'm going to live my life that day.



Eh, I agree with some of them. At least some of the other gods do not require any conditions. Hehe, well to reincarnate as something good you would need to live a charitable life... etc. But it's common sense, no need for "if you don't believe in me you'll go to Hellllll" stuff.



Beautiful words from a believer. That's why you're a believer *gasp*.... what else is new?

While you're so fixed about the afterlife, most of us are fixed on living our present life. Have fun pondering about death, though I'm positive it's not a pretty thing to think about.

i dunt worry abt walking out my door n dieing b/c if i do..hey im gonna b with God
whats the point of living if u think its for no1

If you don't worry about dying, what makes you think other people will worry?

No one can live their life in fear of death. That's... silly. I don't have to believe in God to not worry either, I just to have live my life distancing from evil, that's all.

if i believed i was just gone....id be scared....if i believe no1 cared....id be scared...
God helps u stay away frum evil...."Lead me not into temptation, but deliever me from evil..." ((part of the Lord's Prayer))

Wow this is still going on. I would look to see where I left off but that was about 5 pages ago....

You shouldn't worry about death but you should think about it

i agree completely. very profound.

My morals keep me from evil, my muse give me reasons to live, my family and friends gives me all the love I need. Asking for more will make me greedy.

I wouldn't be scared because I know I live a good life. You have your God, I have my own things to live for. Death is inevitable, no use to worry about it.

and y have morals....i mean if no1 cares if u do? and i mean does it matter we r all going in the ground....what do u think is gonna happen to this earth then? c u havnt thought ur beliefs through

Just because you don't understand me doesn't mean that I haven't thought anything through. I've lived more years than you and I can confidently say that I've been through more things than you can ever imagine. Hehe, don't assume that I haven't 'thought' about what I believe in.

I have morals because I want to do good. I've seen bad things happen to good people and I don't want to be another menace that they make good people suffer. My morals dictate that I have to live and benefit those who are less fortune.

I don't think you realize that God has allowed children to be born in suffering everyday. Innocent lives are born in to poverty and sickness. I'm sure they look to Him for salvation, but all He can offer them is bliss in their afterlife while they must suffer pain and torture in their current life.

how do yoo know u lived more then me?! n i have seen bad things happen to plenty of good ppl...it doesnt mean God allows it...n thank God for the babies that r born unhealth...some of them have helped us.....i have sooo much i culd say abt that but i dunt want the world knowing that story.....n He doesnt "let" u suffer

and no ive been through a LOT...u have noooo idea

Because I know I'm older than you, silly.

What do you mean? You just said 'thank God for the babies that r born unhealth?".

Are you saying that it's good riddance that they're unhealthy? WTH are you talking about???

If you've seen bad things then who do you attribute them to? The Devil? I thought God created life? Shouldn't He be the one to fault for these poor children? He does too let you suffer. How do you explain people suffering then?

Don't you dare say that its their own fault either. You can't help being born into poverty.

u dunno that i never said my age
sume babies born unhealthy use that to help some of us....im sry i cant write abt this on here
idunno what riddance means
its not their fault, nessicarily((perhaps their parents for not trying to get a good job or slacking in school...althou i know this isnt the only case so plz dunt lecture me))....its not God's either....it snot alwayz the devils....if its evil its the devil working in u...

You didn't need to tell me your age, your way of writing says it all. It's especially obvious when you tell me you don't know what 'riddance' mean.

You're angering me when you insists that unhealthy babies are useful to help us. Have you ever hold hands with a new mother whose baby has a heart murmur? Have you ever seen babies born into families with barely any food to sustain even the mothers' lives? How is that "GOOD"?

I'm NOT talking about irresponsible people either, I'm talking about people who were born into poverty in third world countries! WHY must everything revolves around people in the US? There are more situations in this world than YOUR OWN. Get over yourself. IF YOU KNOW it's not the only case then say something else, because by just saying 'oooh parents slacking in school' is pissing me off.

How is not God? He gave life right? He gave life to these children. How can you say that it's not God. If it isn't, THEN TELL ME WHO!


And what the heck does that mean? Are you telling me that I'm evil now? Oh wow, it just doesn't get any better than this. Evil is blamed on the Devil, while all that is good is God's credits. How typical.

ok fine u win ur prolly older...ugh
actually both examples ive been a part of
ive been to and LIVED in 3rd world countries....my gosh i do stuff for Red Cross all the time....n ive lived there for a period of time...it was very long months
let me tell u....those kids use the disablities to touch sume of our lives....im sry for angering u...i cant help it
not everything is sume1s fault

You say that you've lived there but to be there physically has nothing to do with being there in heart. What did you do about it? Were you there in the name of God?

Have you lived in their hovels and eat their meager meals? Or were you in air conditioned building with easily accessed foods? What do you know of poverty without having to live it first?

Well, I'm not blaming it on anyone actually as I don't believe in the Christian God, I do not blame it on Him. I thought this was to be a debate about God so I figured that you can answer me why He let these things happen. You only angered me because you said somethings that I thought was a horrible thing to say about those children.

ive been there physicaly...ive been there at heart....i try to do everything in the name of God...was on there on a mission trip? no. i moved there for reasons other than ur bus.
lived in hovels? no...small flats....meager meals? we were pretty poor ok? u cant drink the water n u dunt have $$ to buy it...even if u culd...u have to get it frum other countries....cost more than u make in a yr....quit telling me i dunno what its like b/c u have no clue!

I did answer u...i said He doesnt let it happen.....its not horrible to say either! and u say u dunt believe in the Christian God....aka God....do u believe in any "god"

and btw....i hate talking abt that kinda stuff frum my past...if i thought it wuld help me debate i wuld have said it but rethinking this is painful so plz ask ??'s pretaining to topic or ask through PMs...as those of us who DO know what its like r pained by some of its many memories

btw.....air condition? LMAO u have to b a millionaire

You seriously talk the talk, but you don't sound like you walk the walk.

I'm not telling you what's it's like at all, you're doing that on your own. I only asked if you've experienced it and you started to tell me your life story on your own.

You're contradicting yourself too by saying that you've been there with the Red Cross and then say that you're the one who lived through that time. You how old are you anyway to say that 'oh i've been through much more than you can imagine'. Pfft, I can imagine alright.

If it hurts, then don't talk about it. But your answer doesn't make any sense. You're saying that God doesn't allow it, then WHY does it happen? If He creates life, as you all claim, then He must create the life of these children who suffers. IF He creates life, then He must've also created homosexuality. Why then, do these things happen but He doesn't allow it?

Edit: *sigh*, I've talked about it before. How many times do you people want to ask me this trivial question? I do believe in a Creator because I know myself to be a creation. But like I said before, I don't care to know my Creator because for all I know, he could be an alien.

idunno what "talk the talk" n "walk the walk" means

yeah well u seemed like u wanted to know

when i go with red cross...we got for like a weekend
when i lived there...that was a wholleeeeeeeeeeee lot longer then a weekend
and i HAVE been through more then u can imagine

and we dunt alwayz have the answers.....i have mine n u know what it is

Choices.

I don't believe in it, but that's a common response.

I mean why does he create deformed babies.

So, those babies were not even given a choice, they were just created that way.

It is a too much of a common response.....

And Princess:

Trust me, your business is your own.

You have your answers and I have mine.

well like i said sume deformed babies have changed my life...n others

Well, deformed babies exist to remind you that you have it good. Remember, there isn't good or bad; just an abscence of good.

Or something like that. Again, im not christian.

So they were created to chage your life?

Isn't that a selfish reason to create them? To change someone's life while they have to suffer?

True, but if God created them for that purpose, then He's sort of evil for doing it.

But putting religion aside, I do agree that it's a very potent reminder that we're more fortunate then they.

It's sad, happiness only comes with constant reminders of how a life devoid of it would be. Stupid system really, God should've thought up a better game plan.

God's plan is PERFECT

who said u were more fortunate then them...u have both ur arms so u r more fortunate? they r less fortunate b/c they only have 1? no! u r less fortunate then soooo many of them...b/c u dunno Christ....b/c u dunno how to love....b/c uve never been through the hell they have....so no they rnt atomatically less fortunate then u b/c they r deformed.....its not just abt they way they look.....

2 that i have spoken told me this...."id rather have no arms then 2 if id use my arms to beat sumeone up"
"id rather be blind in one eye then have the full site of both....i c enough horror with 1 eye"

im sure there r others also....

btw.....ok sry for being rude to u i didnt know u were an adult

HA~~~HA.

I don't need to see Christ to know that I'm more fortunate. I can keep my belly full and my mind free of trying to figure where my next meal will come from and I call that fortunate.

Brave words for one who can only say what she feels when she's not wearing their shoes. You don't even know what it's like to be deformed so don't try to speak for them.

They're ohhhh so lucky to know Christ while they eat other people's left overs for dinner. They're soooo fortunate because they can cry out in pain when their mother's dying because they have no food. SOOO fortunate that they are made fun of by their peers for not being normal. AND SOOO fortunate for find trash for a meal... who knows when they'll find another one.

Right, God's plan is perfect. So perfect that the whole world's perfect. So perfect that it's Paradise on Earth.

Edit:: no, don't treat me as an adult. I don't really care how you treat me so long as I get my point across and you can do the same.

i never get ur point

yeah well if they know Christ...they know that no matter what He will provide for them for all of their needs....when they die...as we all do...they die knowing this: now they will never b hungry again...now they will live in pure happiness
"For man does not live by bread alone...."

and who says being deformed means ur poor? o btw u rnt either so u cant talk for them either...u dunno what its like not to have food...so shut up.....God's plan IS perfect.....if we all lived as He wants us 2...the Earth WULD b perfect...hum i know one person screwing it up *cough* *cough*

edit....as long as i can treat u how i want here i go but u told me i culd b disrespectful so it isnt really dis respectful......i think u have no clue what ur talking abt n if for once u opened ur heart all those things u say uve been through...God wuld take part...and eventually all of the pain....i know......o n dunt tell me ever i dunno what its like...ur the one who prolly live in a huge house n eats 24/7 till ur as fat as a pig with no concern as to the world around u...n u never tell me what things mean when i ask or answer my questions....so im guessing u dunno

I wasn't speaking out for them, I was using them as a question for you. There is a difference in asking a question and claiming to know. Even I know that 'pride' in knowing is no good. Though it's not anything new to me.

You claim to know God so you have pride in knowing. Through out this whole debate, you've been saying things like your God is the only God and that other religions are wrong. That's arrogance and pride which I have pointed out before that they are sins.

Saying that I screw up your perfect Earth is yet another sin. You degrade me even though you do not know what I do for other people. That's alright, because I don't do charity in the name of God and to make myself high and mighty, nor do I do it to get God's favors, I do it because I want to help.

No one can achieve perfection, therefore Earth will never be perfect. You can blame it on imperfect people like me, and think that you're so perfect and that God loves you. But think again. At least I don't live my life fearful that God's love will be revoked if I don't believe in Him. I just live my life as I see fit. Which is more than I can say for you, Misss Perfect Princess.

Pfft, being disrespectful is soooo easy, but it proves to me and other people what kind of "Christian" you are.

You're asking me if I've opened my heart, yet you cannot do the same about other religions. You think the world's in black and white, it's either Christianity or Hell, which is so baseless and shallow.

I live in a decent house now, because my family work HARD for what we have today. Back then my mother and I lived in a barn, but that's another story. I have no concern about the world around me, and yet I KNOW that the world doesn't revolve around me and by basic 'faith'. I'm worldly enough to know that there are other things aside from my Creator, unlike you, who can praise God but not heed his words.

Hypocrisy is a just name to call you. I answer your questions, but you're too... ahem, young, to understand them. When I say young, I'm being nice and not call you stupid right out.

God loves u. God loevs me. God will alwayz love both of us...like i said b4 i DO open my heart to other religions.....dunt tell me how sinful i am when u dunt believe in such things as sins. remember...i aked u...i dunt understand u b/c i dunt understand y u wuldnt wanna know God....has nothing to do with my age.....i can tell im wiser then u n i dunt need ur appoval to think n know it thank you ery much miss i think im alwayz rite so ill degrate others...ur the only one degrading

o and its not Christianity or hell...Jews have a special place

How do you know I don't believe in sins? Sin is a WORD that, when taken out of relgious context, will mean that it's a breaking of a moral law. See what I mean when you're see things in black and white. Even words have more meaning than one, and there are certainly more concepts than yours.

I can say that you've sinned because you DID SIN you evil person you. Calling other people names.

You can call yourself wiser anytime, it's still a baseless assumption and you're still sinning because you have too much pride in your 'knowledge'... *snickers*.

Since when do you need approval for anything? Since when have I said that "I don't approve what you believe in". Trust me, that would make me no better than your shallow self, so I don't want to be like you.

I'm degrading you because you started it. You called me fat. Hahahahaha. Which is getting to be true this summer I think.

You call yourself Christian and you try to debase other people. I know what you mean when you say that 'other' people are not true Christians. You exemplify the perfect example.

If the romans might've seen him, then how come there's so many accounts of him?

Think of it this way, how do we know if George Washington was there? There's many accounts of him as well. Do you always believe on what you read?

i applaud you. you are one of the invaluable debators on this forum.
princess, let me simply fae's response.

you call yourself a christian, and yet you sinned, by calling others names. wasn't it god who commanded us "love thy neighbor"? why not just respect other religions, because your religion sure as hell isn't right.

by the way beric and princess, im not "mean" to everyone, just those people who are so spucking dense, they won't listen to anyone else and keeps repeating their only argument over and over: i believe in god, therefore, he exists. and princess will reply: I KNOW HE EXISTS. I HAVE PROOF, but still fails to show substanstial, non biblical proof. beric is just looking for a reason to make me look less of a person, because of his own vendetta.

to princess2113:

the question is whether or not God exists. Not how much faith you have in him. there is a huge difference between faith and reality, and i suggest you learn it. Whether you think God loves everyone is irrevelant. It bares no proof whatsoever whether or not he is real.

please refrain from telling people that you know more than they do because
i assure you; you dont. so stop making a fool of yourself

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