im sure ive been through more then u have n i know there IS a God....oh wait u have no science proof....ur going on ur FAITH...is this not exactly what u tel me makes ME a bad debater?! yet U do the same...u have faith He doesnt exist...i have faith that He DOES....the differance is my faith leads me down the rite path...uts doesnt

God is all powerful in the sense that He knows whats going on, He cant, however, make decisions FOR us, otherwise there wouldnt be true love.

Your spirit is what guides you to make right and wrong decisions, most people would call it a concience,

the Holy Spirit lives inside of you and guides you through situations. .

But in the Bible it says if you are not for me, you are certainly against me. .. therefore, if you are not working for GOD, you arent doing what he wants for your life, and you arent practicing His teachings. .. and you ARENT reading your word.

I dont know what part of the Bible you're reading, but its not all stories, its a compass, a map for your life,

Not all parts of it talk about what happened to so-and-so.. like proverbs for example, throughout the entire book, it gives you instruction.. tells you how, as a christian, to act. . In fact one part says,

Proverbs 17:14 ".. Starting a quarrel is like breaching a dam, so drop the matter before a dispute breaks out.."  and proverbs 17: 19 ".. He who loves a quarrel loves sin;.. "

I mean , its just a book of knowledge, for how GOD wants you to live your life.
You have a choice to be a believer or not, you can look at the facts, measure out the consequences, and come to your own conclusion about GOD..

AGAIN AND AGAIN YOU KEEP TRYING TO TURN OUR WORDS ON US.
WHERE IS YOUR NON BIBLICAL PROOF? WE HAVE OUR THEORIES, YOU HAVE YOUR BLIND FAITH. BOOHOO. YOU CANT DEBATE FOR CRAP.

im fed up with you, princess.

the reason ppl dunt like Christians has absolutly NOTHING to do with the fact that missionaries "pressure ppl" b/c they dunt....

the reston most dunt like us is b/c the ones who r confident enough to share their faith usually know enough abt it and arent afraid to talk abt it..

.and it makes u feel inferior...

thats y ppl dunt like us...

b/c sumewhere in the back of ur brains a lot u know that at least some of what we say must be true....

y else do so many ppl believe?

i mean its a pretty big number of ppl to have believing if we r wrong....which we arent

hum everything but the 1st line has been covered sumewhere in the last 57 pages so i wont answer again.

...1st of all...it prolly wasnt Christians at ur door if they kept coming back.... it was prolly Mormans who CONSIDER themselves Christian

but add onto the Bible...they r usually the ones knowcking on doors, and usually more "cult-like"....if it WAS a Christian knocking they prolly dunno much abt their faith or sumething abt u made them think they had a chance at helping u

Well, where to begin? I don't believe in God, but I do believe in something else watching out over us...I honestly don't know why. (smacks self on head) science is at least MOSTLY provable, so there is a basis in fact. But God? NO BASIS!

lets find out through scientific research!
cause that's what people are doing right now.

if god created darkness and moistue, who created god

I'm offended for those people. Just because they couldn't answer my questions make them Mormons or fake Christians in your eyes. That's really condescending. I don't think God intended you to be so prideful in your faith.

I thought they were annoying, sure, but they had courage, something to learn from, NOT to mock.

**Is God all powerful in the sense of giving miracles?**

Mark 6:38-44

"How many loaves do you have?" he asked "Go and see" When they found out, they said, "Five loaves and two fish."
Then Jesus directed them to have all the people sit down in groups on the green grass.  So they sat down in groups of hundreds and fifties. Taking the five loaves and the two fish and looking up to heaven, He gave thanks and broke the loaves. Then He gave them to his disciples to set before the people. He also divided the two fish among them all. They all ate and were satisfied, and the disciples picked up twelve basketfuls of broken pieces of bread and fish. The number of men who had eaten was five thousand.. "

   you tell me.



***What of people who do not believe in God? The Holy Spirit doesn't reside in them, does that mean they're immoral then? I'm confused.
Wow. So everything is black and white, no shades of gray in between? No exceptions? And you said that someone else was closed minded?
Does God believe in exceptions, I wonder? All the good that non-believers do is in vain, and yet non-believers will continue to do good. I wonder why? What strives non-believers, do you know?
There isn't a Holy Spirit in them to guide non-believers  to the right decisions, so that means GOOD non-believers are virtuous people in essence. Will God turn away virtuous people even though they do not believe?  ***

Mark 7:20-23

".. What comes out of a man is what makes him 'unclean'. For from within, out of men's hearts, come evil thoughts, sexual immorality, theft, murder, adultery, greed, malice, deceit, jewdness, envy, slander, arrogance, and folly. All these eveils come from inside and make a man 'unclean'..." 

If that comes from all men, EVERYONE sins, if everyone sins, then no matter how 'Virtuous' you are, without forgiveness, you will go to hell.

***You mean David and Goliath (a simple example) isn't a story? My Christian friend gave me copies of some things to read when I was in junior high. I found them highly entertaining and that it teaches lessons of virtues, which is a good thing. But like I said, it's not anything I don't already know.***

When in that whole paragraph did I say that the bible DOESNT have stories in it? I said that the Bible isnt simply a storybook. The Bible is, however, a book made for instruction.

***And what of those who do not read the Bible? Are you saying that they do not have their lives mapped out? Or maybe that they're lost? It doesn't seem like that's the case with me or any other agnostics I know in real life.
But I understand that not everyone think the same way. ***

Thats the difference between the followers and the NON-believers, Everyone in this world lives their life as if they have to achieve personal satisfaction.. its a ME world, everyone trying to succeed. Whereas in the christian perspective, you give your life over to Christ. You let God lead your way, and let Him use you to glorify His name. Yes the people that try to lead their own lives are walkin in the dark, its basically luck of the draw. They don't know if what they're getting themselves into will end up good or bad, whereas with Christ, you're always in safe hands.



***Yes, there are many great proverbs and teachings from the Bible, I will not argue against that. But other religions teaches those same lessons as well. There's nothing from the Bible that I can't get from other religions, or from learning the lesson myself in real life. ***

The difference between Our religion and all of the others is that our GOD is living. Jesus Christ Rose from the dead, and will come back to save us. 

Matthew 17: 22
"... When they came together in Galilee, he said to them, 'The Son of Man is going to be betrayed into the hands of men. They will kill him, and on the third day he will be raised to life.'... "

You mock us as christians now, but when the wrath of Heaven rains down, It's not going to be us you have to face. You will have to look GOD in the eyes and explain your actions.. 

Revelation 7:15-17

"... 'They are before the throne of GOd and serve him night and day in His temple; and he who sits on the throne will spread his tent ove rthem. Never again will they hunger; never again will they thirst. The sun will not beat upon them, nor any scorching heat. For the lamb at hte center of the throne  will be their shephard'he will lead them to springs of living water. And God will wipe away every tear from their eyes.' .. "


gosh dangit, i messed up the whole quote thing. oh well the *** are what she said.

You mean David and Goliath (a simple example) isn't a story? My Christian friend gave me copies of some things to read when I was in junior high. I found them highly entertaining and that it teaches lessons of virtues, which is a good thing. But like I said, it's not anything I don't already know.

And what of those who do not read the Bible? Are you saying that they do not have their lives mapped out? Or maybe that they're lost? It doesn't seem like that's the case with me or any other agnostics I know in real life.

you guys will get proof. soon enough, you just wait. 

i think i might close this soon, as this has no point in it. it's a cycle = fae impresses me yet again, princess captures the last drop of pity i have in my body.

well.. just b/c u dont like the topic doesnt mean u have to be closing it.. it might not be going aniwhere, but i and sum other ppl like to hear about wut others say...
OR wut we can do is close this cause its getting wayy tso long and make up aNOTHER topic about God... =]
OR... make up a folder saying GOD and have different topics about God.. heh
JUST some suggestions.