i agree that if a woman has numerous abortions, she really needs to find another method of birth control

for a grown person, family members can seek justice for them after their deaths. we thought if banning adoption acknowledged that the fetus was a being with rights, then after that, family members could seek justice for the lost fetus.

right...
so, all pregnant women should be arrested for holding someone against thier will?
pregnant women should have to buy two tickets to everything?

Um... a woman can't have numerous abortions.

Are there statistics to show that rates of sexual intercourse have increased directly as a cause of the legalization of abortion?

    * 25.5% – Want to postpone childbearing
    * 21.3% – Cannot afford a baby
    * 14.1% – Has relationship problem or partner does not want pregnancy
    * 12.2% – Too young; parent(s) or other(s) object to pregnancy
    * 10.8% – Having a child will disrupt education or job
    *  7.9% – Want no (more) children
    *  3.3% – Risk to fetal health
    *  2.8% – Risk to maternal health
    *  2.1% – Rape, incest, other

Again (for probably the 10th time), I will state that people make mistakes and accidents happen. I'm not going to say it again. Read the examples I've given in my previous posts.

And no, I've never heard of a 'partial birth abortion'.

Then you might as well make alcohol illegal and might as well make having sex illegal if you want to be so absolutely safe. I'm sure you would enjoy having America represent freedom in such a great way wink.gif.

Again, I will state that these mistakes and accidents are inexcusable. If you get drunk and get pregnant, you made a bad decision.

Either that, or you got raped, Honk Honk!(Just wanted to inject a little humor) If you make a mistake, why should the baby pay for it with its life?

Oh. It's pretty barbaric. Before the baby is delivered, they cut its head open, and suck the brains out with a vacuum. Since it's still in the womb, by your logic, the mother should be able to perform a partial birth abortion.

Either that, or we could trust the people and hope that they make the right choice and not have sex when they can't handle the responsibility. Abortions give them an easy way out of that responsibility, at the expense of the baby.

I'm reading what you're saying (hence me quoting what you say), it's just maybe I'm not articulating my answers perfectly.

Humans aren't all responsible creatures. Forgive them for not being perfect. They don't want to get an abortion; they just find it necessary. It puts their lives in grave danger, so why would they do it? It's not an easy choice to make. To have a live baby and let it suffer or a dead baby without pain or love. I personally would rather be dead than to live with a mother that couldn't take care of me.

not all find it a necessity. more find it a convenience more than those who needs it. those who are irresponsible enough to find it a convenience put a bad light on all who needs it. again, if we condone abortion because it's a convenience, we condone irresponsibility, one of the worse kinds, in my opinion.

If abortion was made illegal except for the last three, I don't think it would be unreasonable to think people would have less sex in order to get the outcome they want.

Again, how is it a convienence if it puts your life in danger? People aren't going to just lightly make that choice. Not only does it physically put your life in danger, but it leaves terrible memories of having your own child killed. You don't want to live with that burden on your shoulders. It is a necessity if you choose to get an abortion. If it isn't a necessity, I'm sure you'd choose to keep it alive and do your best in nurturing it.

... am i talking about life and death situations? no. i've been saying the same thing for the last twenty or something pages of this debate. if anyone cares to hear my case, i've said all that i can say about abortion just a few pages back. convenience refers to those who choose multiple abortions as conveniences. tell me you don't think that a woman having an abortion for the 3rd time because she likes f**king around is not having it because of convenience. please excuse the language but i think the word applies quite well to what i'm conveying.

Okay, I don't exactly know what you mean and I'm afraid I'm misinterpreting what you're saying, but firstly, a woman can't have 3 abortions and very few if any already have. It is way too costly and dangerous and I don't personally think that's a convenience. Secondly, abortions never were a convenience nor will they ever be. If anything, they are an inconvenience because of the reasons I've stated before. What exactly are you trying to convey? Because it seems I'm just repeating myself. Sorry.

george bush wants more babies.

his administration has made federal science committies say abortions cause breast cancer, which they don't

AND

his administration forced the CDC to remove all infomation about condoms from thier web site.

source:time magazine

whichleads me to believe that bush wants more babies.

Um, first of all what's wrong with more babies? you act like it's a bad thing... second of all, I'm totally against all kinds of contraceptives.... don't get me started on that issue because I don't know to much abut it, but I am against it (even condoms).

Finally, I think that that post ^^^ was totally off topic (sadolakced) b/c we aren't debating whther or not Bush wants more babies, we're debating over whether abortion is good or bad. and what it comes down to is that you're killing a human being. THat's bad.

more babies are fine if bush wants to raise them himself, and have them himself.

he's forcing other people to have more babies.

and that post was to illustrate how the arguement of "if you can't use a condom you should have to have the baby" is moot, as bush is leaning towards banning contraceptives as well as abortion.

and what's wrong with contraceptives?  it's not destorying life.  sure, it's destorying the potential for life, but two people not having sex is doing that too. 

so what you're saying is it's wrong if someone who's hit puberty isn't having sex?

right?  cus that's what god wants, lots of babies.  so no abortions, no contraceptives, and forced sex.

and as far as abortions being the killing of a human being, that's been brought up, and generally agreed that although a feotus is alive, it is less than human.

Five signs of life in the womb:

1. Heartbeat

Modern technology can detect a baby's heartbeat eighteen days after conception.


That is only four days after most women miss a period and begin to suspect they are pregnant.


Most abortions are not performed until the eighth week (56 days) of a pregnancy, or a little later.

2. Brain waves

Six weeks after conception signals from the fetal brain can be detected.


Dream patterns have been discovered around the eighth or ninth week.


Perhaps more advanced technology will someday show us heartbeats and brain waves at even earlier stages in the unborn child's life.
3. Independent movement

At about the sixth week, the baby in the womb can move spontaneously: Kicking, swimming, jumping and stretching.


This is long before the mother will feel any sensations of movement.
4. Senses

A baby in the womb is capable of responding to touch and sound by about the eighth or tenth week.


A child at that age will move away from painful stimuli, the most painful of which would be the abortionist's instrument.
5. Breathing

By about the fourteenth week, a baby's lungs are functioning and he or she will practice breathing.


Vocal cords are formed by the thirteenth week, and were it not for a lack of air, the baby could be heard to cry!
From the very beginning, once a human egg is fertilized by sperm, there exists a new human being. All information about the child's sex, hair color, eye color, and much more is already present from the beginning.


What does an abortion do?

Abortion ends a human life.


Seven weeks from conception, used by permission of Life Issues Institute. 
Some say that an abortion is nothing more than the "termination of a pregnancy;" that what is aborted is only a "blob of tissue" or a "mass of cells." An early abortion will produce what appears to be a "blob of tissue," but what would you expect the shredded remains of a tiny unborn baby to look like?

Most abortions are performed after the eighth week of pregnancy which is beyond the point when the child exhibits many signs of life, but before the time when cartilage has given way to real bone (by the end of the sixth month). Later abortions produce fully recognizable body parts or even whole, fully formed babies. Yet, even pills that cause very early abortions end a human life.

If you are experiencing a problem pregnancy, seek help from someone who will affirm the value of your unborn child's life.

There are alternatives to abortion.

The fact that people can't save themselves until they've found someone they really care for and waited for marriage just shows how uncivilized people can be, and the fact that some people do wait is a portrayal of how civilized we can be.

And who said anything about forced sex? If you are raped or anything, put the baby up for adoption, don't just kill it. And if people did wait we wouldn't have as much abuse, and overpopulation is arguable anyway.

By about the fourteenth week, a baby's lungs are functioning and he or she will practice breathing.


Vocal cords are formed by the thirteenth week, and were it not for a lack of air, the baby could be heard to cry!
From the very beginning, once a human egg is fertilized by sperm, there exists a new human being. All information about the child's sex, hair color, eye color, and much more is already present from the beginning.

And if you are married there are ways to work around having a baby, yet still have sex, without using a condom.

No, Bush won because of Ohio, which is not in the South.

Such as?

Sorry, I haven't been on for a while, but you can work around the woman's "schedule"

To be honest, abortion isn't something that I consider myself directly concerned with. I support it, but only because I feel a person should be free to do what she wants, as long as it does not harm the life or property of another person (and no, I don't consider aborting a fetus in the first or even second trimester "harming another person"). However, I can certainly understandy kryogenix's point that people should be a bit more careful when having sexual intercourse, rather than just assume that an abortion is an acceptable method of contraception.

However, one major concern is the attempts by the Bush administration to limit access to contraceptives and information about contraceptives, especially among students. Not only does the administration wish to limit abortions, but they wish to limit the availability, or at least knowledge of, methods of preventing pregnancy in the first place. Abstinence-only programs do not work to prevent rates of teen sex, and without a way to protect themselves, it is entirely possible that rates of teen pregnancy could rise under this system. I'd accept stronger limits on abortion if there was easier access to birth control and birth control information than there is now.

Abstinence is a form of birth control that's available for free.

Abstinence is a form of birth control that's available for free.

abstinence is not more a birth control than abortion or shooting pregnant women.