not really.

the placenta is created entirely from the father's gene's.

an egg and a sperm that has female DNA in it ( by removing the DNA in there and putting in new DNA) will create NO plecenta (only an embryo, which dies)

if it is rape, it is in every sense a parasite. therefore; medical treatment (the abortion) cannot be denied.

to others::

yes, the right to an abortion is abused. it is different for a 15 year old girl to have her first and only abortion, and a 25 year old girl to have her 10th abortion.

the total banning of abortions is unjustified.

and, that whole taking a life thing won't work. do you know why? doctors are keenly aware that if one dies so one can live, it is better than if both should die. conjoined twins are often separated so that one can live, even if the other would then die.

I am pro-life in many/most cases. You spread your legs without thinking, you suffer the consequences. Abortions should be decided on a case-by-case basis. I don't think it should be outlawed though.

Parasites cause enough harm to the host to be detrimental. Placentas do not.

And, if that's the way you feel, human life is a parasite and should therefore be aborted in all cases.

Parasites = negative.

Humans = parasites.

Abort all pregnancies = medical treatment.

Medical treatment = wiping out the human race.

What's sad is that it seems as though the pro-choicers have run out of every single option and have resorted to plan Z, the parasite argument.

^ haha awesome signature lol.

but lets get serious:
my mother and i believe that under certain circumstances abortion is acceptable. like if i were pregnnt righht now i'd abort it but if i were pregnant at maybe 18-25 i might think differently.

Why should it be case sensitive? I don't see how if some one is raped that would give them the right to murder their baby :\. Or if they are so young that it could cause complications with their body. i've seen and known personally people from he ages 12+ give birth and a 14 yr old girl have 4 abortions. I also dont see how some one who is against abortion can say that it is alright to kill "in certain cases"

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adoption, not abortion

The only acceptable circumstance is if the mother is at risk during delivery, and perhaps during a case of rape or incest.

Otherwise, it most certainly deals with an unwanted pregnancy, a.k.a complete stupidity on the part of the mother.

In that situation, case closed. It's a baby girl! Enjoy motherhood!

i'm not arguing for all abortions. i'm arguing for some. namely the ones where the mother will most likely die.

i'm not argueing for mary jane that get's stone again and finds out a month later, she's pregnant.

i'm saying, in cases of rape and in cases of the health of the mother, the abortion is very much justified.

in cases of simply not wanting the baby, well, there are circumstances where i think it's acceptable. people make mistakes. give them a second chance. but not a third, fourth, fifth, tenth.

let people have a first abortion (when they simply don't want the baby). and don't let them have another for 10 years.

Although I disagree with the 'let them have a first chance' mentality -- I do agree that abortions are justified in rape cases and during health risks.

We need abortions in some cases. This isn't a black-and-white issue. It does need to be case sensitive or else girls would be getting abortions like it was nothing.

It should be case sensitive. It's the girls fault if she's in middleschool/highschool/college and is sexually active and goes to parties, gets drunk and gets pregnant. She has to take responsibility. She can give the baby up for adoption. But if in case of a rape where the woman does not want to have the baby, an abortion should be used. Most likely, the woman would not want the child of a rapist. If the mother or baby or both are going to die, then why make them suffer? The mother no doubt would feel grief for herself and the baby and her family. If lets say a woman accidentally gets pregnant and cannot afford to keep the baby, then she can give it up for adoption as well.

You are removing a fetus during an abortion . Medically speaking, it is NOT a human being. I don't see the logic of people calling fetuses humans, when anatomically and medically they are not. And thenew laws declaring fetuses as humans in murder cases? Completely illogical in my eyes.

Although the fetus will develop into a baby, we cannot say that the fetus inside the mother is a human at that time and place.
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Abortion should be decided on a case-by-case basis. This is exactly why:

A woman who was raped by her father should be able to have an abortion. A 15 year-old girl who dropped out of school to help support her 5 brothers and sisters and her single parent on welfare should have access to an abortion. A sexually active 13 year-old girl with rich parents who got drunk and had sex with a 20 year-old college guy should NOT be able to have an abortion. Why? Because she can:

A. Get her parents to hire someone to help take care of the baby.
-or-
B. Give up the baby for an adoption to give it a better life.

personally it doesnt matter to me. If the mother or father wants to abort a baby; thenlet them do so. Its ther choice. if they werent up to the challange f having a baby, they should have been safe when they had there fun in the bed.

Do you know that there are others ways a woman can get pregnant?...

...the same arguments keep going on here. i'll just keep saying the same thing.

i'm not really so pushy for adoption. we already have way over enough kids needing to be adopted. once these babies get to a certain age, there's much less of a chance they'll ever be adopted. that would traumatize this child. i would much, much rather see this kid even start to live this miserably than have it go through its entire life with no family.

and, when it comes down to it, it's not like a law will be made allowing SOME abortions. personally, i'd rather have all abortions allowed than none at all. i don't look at is as less lives..it's less miserable lives. i hate to see people that sad and broken down. foster homes and adoption agencies traumatize and scare kids for life. every single kid that i've known who was adopted or in a foster home is tormented about it inside. i can't stand to see someone like that. i would rather them have not been born to go through all this than to live their lives miserable.

a mother who would abort her baby because she would die in delivery should be shot. A rape victim can put her baby up for adoption or give her baby's custody to someone she knows that can take care of the child. Yes, there is shame of being raped, but honesty of how the baby came about is not the issue, the issue is that abortion is murder. The world is black and white whether you realize it or not.

^ uhh, you contradicted yourself there, buddy. you should shoot mothers who would die from their baby? so then that's killing two people, and not just one? oook then. i think your logic is pretty skewed.

What if it's an honest, good teenage girl that was raped? Would she rather want to go stay at her school or stay at home ashamed because of the baby? She'd be traumatized because of the rape and the birth.

abortion is not murder.

murder= killing of a human being.

abortion= ending of a pregnacy by removing the fetus.

a fetus is not a human being. not anymore than an acorn is an oak tree.

just a thought...

if we're gonna be considering killing potential lives as murder, than what about a woman's menstrual cycle? there's unused eggs being made there. if i don't go out and have sex, that's killing potential lives! i should go to jail and there should be laws made against women having their period and going through puberty. then there won't be any potential lives to kill at all!

i dont think abortion is all that bad.
think about this:
all the people who are saying "ABORTION IS MURDER!" and stuff like that-- i dont see them adopting tons of kids... they want the kids to live but then they dont think about what happens to them after that..

That's because pro-life people aren't the ones having rampant sex, then choosing to abort the baby.

Think about this:

These same politicians who say they are pro-life (President Bush, many Republicans) are supportive of the death penalty and the war in Iraq.

But I'm not going to get into that.

War in Iraq debate: http://www.createblog.com/forums/index.php...ic=9422&hl=iraq

Death Penalty debate: http://www.createblog.com/forums/index.php...l=death+penalty

Do you really think we should trust these people to tell us about abortion laws?

pro-choice people aren't the ones having rampant sex, then choosing to abort the baby either.

some pro-choice people would never abort a baby.
most pro-choice people don't have rampant sex.

saying that is like me saying,

that's because pro-choice people aren't the ones going around bombing abortion clinics and killing abortion doctors, because those aren't lives they're killing.

abortion is murder. you're killing a [potential (meaning not out of the womb yet)] life. i could give a rats ass about what stage the baby is, it is STILL A PERSON.

Basicially this weighs down to your own morals
Religion, ways you were brought up, and your views on life and other topics that follow under. It's always going to be half and half. Yea. It depends on the morals.

whoa! who said that people were having rampent sex!! Yes some people do, but must girls get raped. i do believe that 3/5 girls get raped before they are 35 years old! that that is scarry. Somtimes killing a baby fetus is important, like if it is a danger to the mother or the mother is too young...and by the way..a fetus is not a grown person it is a fetus...nothing just a little fishy like thing...it wont know the difference

so, if you believe abortion is murder, don't have one. but dont' force the people who don't believe it's murder to conform to your beliefs.

I never said they did. I was responding to the argument presented by machine x. He/she believes that pro life people should be adopting more babies, and I responded by saying that pro life people are not the ones responsible for the babies.

I agree with sadolacked acid. Just becuase you're pro-choice, that doesn't automatically mean that you're promiscuous. That's a weak argument. That's also a stupid generalization of pro-choicers.

read the argument above you.

I read it a loooong time ago. That's exactly what I was desputing in my last post.

OK, for the record, I am totally against abortion, it's wrong, no debate here,I have my reasons and I dont want to explain them, but go here:

Would you abort this baby?

i think we should have the right to choose if we want abortions or not. but only at the begginning of the pregnancy.

please don't post merely your opinion. this is the debate forum; if you don't want to support your opinion, just don't post.

The baby has done nothing wrong to deserve this kind of treatment. To me, that lump of cells become life as soon as it becomes a lump.

And you complain about others' rash generalizations?

1) Take a look at what you just said.
2) Smack yourself on the face for whining about others' stigmas.

Just because a Republican supports the death penalty (don't get me started on how it is 1) not murder, 2) more effective that letting people feed off our taxes year in and year out), and the war in Iraq does not mean that they have no compassion for innocent life.

The people being executed are hardly innocent (mass murderers, rapists, etc).
The people in the Baath party and Iraqi insurgents are hardly innocent (they blow up schools, practice car bombings, and reak chaos in an already chaotic nation).

totally disagree with it. If the parents of the baby are having abortion then they obviously arent ready for parenthood. They should have thought ot before they had there little fun time in the bed. They should have been ready for the responsibilities laying ahead of them.

or just maybe they did. and if the pregnacy is not terminated, the mother will die.

ever thought of that? it happens.

Don't make me bust out my statistics again.

We all know that what you pointed out is the rarest of instances.

i did, but that doens't mean it doesn't happen.

Well should we make laws of this magnitude revolve around the .001%?

if they only apply to the .001%.

it's important not to ignore the .001% also, when making laws for the rest of the cases.

Well it's ridiculous to legalize all abortions because the .001% exists.

Ban the unnecessary ones, which constitute 90+% of the abortions, and break each other one down case by case.

The economist Steven D. Levitt wrote of an interesting effect of Roe v. Wade in his book Freakonomics. During the 80's, the crime rate in the US was soaring. Then the early 90's came, and suddenly it plummeted. Why? Levitt's theory is that the lowered crime rate is a result of legalized abortion; the abortion of unwanted kids led to a whole generation of criminals being wiped out. I'm not saying I agree or disagree, but it is food for thought. At any rate, Freakonomics is a good read. (It talks about a whole host of other things, besides abortion.)

Anyway, one problem I see in making abortion illegal is that we will go back to the time when abortion was prohibited, and women got "back-alley" abortions by untrained guys with coat hangers. Not a pretty picture, and not something I'd like to see happen again. Abortion is barbaric enough; when it's done by an untrained "medic," it's even worse.

A whole host of other issues are raised by abortion, too. Shouldn't women be given the right to have control over their own body? I think so. I also think that, if nothing else, abortion should be legal in cases of rape, incest, and when the mother's life is at risk.

I believe it's up for a pregnant woman to keep or abort her baby. If she can take the risk.. alright then keep it, if she can't due to her situation then abort OR give it to another person who is willing to raise a child which is better.

Aborting is like killing.. hmm.. As the days go by, the world wide population increases. I'm not saying that it's ok to kill people to decrease the population. BUT if you are going to think about it what are the things human beings have done/been doing to the world like crimes, spreading HIVs and AIDs, illegal logging, deforestation, discrimination, something to do with poverty, etc. And how many are they? It wouldn't take a person to count for 1 day. I'm just saying..

Should the law legalize or illegalize it...

Before the legislature do anything .. I believe there is a substitution for getting pregnant, abortion and all that, and that is education. People should be educated about sex and pregnancy even if they're adults or they're young.. and yeah.. therefor if people are to do some, they won't get pregnant.. and there would be no abortion or raising a child.. if they don't want a child.

it's been legal since the 70's .

Alright.. I have no idea about the law on abortion because I've never been pregnant and all that.

well..george bush once said that atheists should not be citizens of the united states. if he ever got a law like that passed (which is highly doubtful, but it could happen), a lot of us would no longer be here. sure, it's not a lot of people; it's a small amount. it's still something.

i don't think abortions being illegal would be at all beneficial. i don't care if most abortions aren't for good reasons..some are. if a woman who already has a life and has been living for a while and has already established relationships dies because abortions were illegal, i think that would be worse.

there's no way the law would become case-sensitive. it would be too difficult to judge who deserves abortions and who doesn't. i still believe if it comes down to all or none, i would rather want all legal. sure, it's a small amount of people who actually need/deserve to get an abortion, but it's still something.

however, i do only support 1st trimester abortions. maybe 2nd trimester, but in extreme circumstances, but never 3rd. i don't consider the fetuses and embryos aborted in 1st trimester to be living, as i went over in the stem-cell research thread..2nd trimester, it is a human but i don't think it's really fully a life quite yet..but i think we should only resort to that in extreme circumstances in which the mother's life is in danger.



and good point, justin! (crackedrearview, not sado) sure it was in another thread, but wouldn't abortions being illegal INCREASE the amount of irresponsible, unprepared american parents?

why do i feel we've done this before, and reached a compromise solution?

Not at all beneficial? Saving thousands of lives annually doesn't seem beneficial? How can someone support the 'ONE' movement to stop poverty and then allow this to happen?

Too hard to make a law case-sensitive? How could it be difficult to judge who deserves an abortion? Since 1991, when you go to get an abortion, you fill out a handy questionnaire. I can't remember the law that passed, but tens of thousands of abortions since '91 have been logged on file, reasons, circumstances, pre and post-operation conditions, etc.

We'd just use the same system, and I think it would work very nicely.

And, about your last statement, I have to throw down the blunt 'no'.

If abortions were absolutely illegal, I'd venture to say that teens might be a little more careful when it comes to non-abstinence and ignorance concerning contraceptives.

ehh...

i think if abortions were illegal, black market drugs that cause a mother to abort the baby would be sold, at risk to the mother.

also, canada would get a rather lot of buiseness in abortion clinics.