im prolife for abortion cuz i think its wrong killing an unborn baby and not giving it a chance to live tha onli time i think it would b reasonable to hav an abortion is wen it mite kill tha mother if she had tha baby.

I was with abortion and the "pro choice" thing but now that i think about it...it shouldnt be the babies fault that Ma and Pa are horny bastards that don't use protection. If you don't want to have a baby, get your pipeing disabled.

Man, people that arn't prepared to support a baby shouldn't tempt fate by having unprotected sex. Now you're a baby killer, way to go, hope you enjoyed that 10 second orgasm.

Anyone with me on a sex license? It'll be a 10,000 question test, all open ended questions delving into your parental fitness and responsibility capacity. If anyone has a baby without said license, they get "aborted" and the baby lives. That should detour some people.

well i disagree with abortion because that was the grls mistake in sleeping with others and also in abortion, you are killing a child

It's just as much the guys fault.

well i say that i dont do that but if you follow your culture it says that you shouldnt hav sex before marriage.. well i follow that

Oh so you would rather her have the constant nagging thought that she killed her child?

Mmm...much better, Dasturbd...what a much better alternative.

Then in this case, what if one was raped?


Just a question.

to a woman raped, I doubt if she would consider it a child at all, but more like a spot of evil inside of her. take yourself out of your own position for once to actually look at the other side of the situation.

I'm not talking people that were irresponsible and having unprotected sex, I'm talking RAPE...I don't understand how you can even dispute a woman's right under those circumstances considering you yourself are not a woman.

I don't think you could judge fairly that the woman would think of this human being inside of her as a spot of evil. You aren't a woman after all, and wouldn't know what a woman thinks, right? And even if you are a woman (which I dont think you are, are you? lol) you wouldn't know what you would be feeling. The woman might resent and feel such violation and anger towards the rapist, but then cherish the child inside of her, knowing that it wasn't the baby's fault in any way.

*nods*.

Women can be desperate after rape. Many tried suicide; others are mentally wounded; and there are still others who thought it so much of a shame to bear that they must carry a lifetime of suffering.

Abortion isn't an easy decision for many women who have experienced rape.

Aust (whitechocolate), I think Dasturbd is a woman...I remember him/her talking about Mother's Day, and how yeah never mind that's beside the point.


I completely agree that it's horrid that the woman has to suffer, but the child doesn't even get to live! I know women are desperate after rape, and I know there's still one percent, but they don't have to keep the child. Yeah, that's all I can think of right now. I just want to go to sleep...haha.

Read this after you wake up then

I understand that a child should have a right to live. But just as a child has the right to live, the mother has the right to choose what's right for her own body.

That sounds so unfair, I know, because I hate the types that have unprotected sex, just for the heck of it and then kill the potential child. To me, that's so immoral.

But I'm just saying that it's not fair that a child's right to live should weight more than a woman's right to her own body.

yes I am a woman and while I can't base my entire statement on all women who have been raped i can base it off of at least one, which is more than you can do Mr. Chocolate.

It would take a superior human being to not feel resentment of a pregnancy that was unasked for by way of rape. If I were to ever run into a woman who had chosen this route after such a terrible ordeal i would surely commend her.

Could you PLEASE just drop the tone down a couple notches...dang! "Mr. Chocolate"?! wtf?! I have been pretty civil to you. You could do the same for me, I think.

And yeah whatever. A woman who is raped might not want to carry the rapists child. So sure, she might want to kill it instead. But it's her body, so why not...just kill the blob of matter, right? I mean....it's just a blob of cells!

*sigh* that's terrible.

I think I was being respectful...I could have come up with another name if you'd like

Oh sorry...It just seemed a little smart-alecky to me. I still can't swallow that you think of it as being respectful, though.


Just call me Austin.

well since you put it that way...ok I will call you Austin. Mr. is a sign of respect...dont think just because I don't agree with you or have my own strong opinions that I don't try to view your point, because i do and it would be ignorant of me to dismiss it

(btw there was another post where I used the Mr. so don't read much into it other than what I've said here...I don't just go around calling out first names without permission ya know)

I was about to call you that too! I'm so sorry! What would you'd like to be called? Garfield? He's awesome!

Anyway, like I asked before, should a child's right to life weights more than a woman's right to her body?

There was a movie on cable that there was a woman who's very sickly. She then gets pregnant, but then having the baby would kill her... She is a courageous woman, because she actually prefer life to her child and I think she did died in the end.

But anyway, if it was a different woman, who has severe sickness and gets pregnant, she could abort the child and live, or have the child and die. Some people would think that's it's selfish to choose your own life, but then again, these people never had dealt with these heart-wrenching decisions like that... so in essence, you'd have no right to call them selfish.

What if a woman contracted aids and she get pregnant. Should the child live and be borned with AIDs and suffer? [but then again, the cure to aids could be found on the next day...]

The only law I would condone is a law that allows abortions, but with some rigid restrictions to when and under what circumstances that would allow it.

So what do you guys think the law should be? The law isn't as flexible as people's minds. Should the government ban it completely? or should they allow it up to a certain age of the foetus?

sorry. it's a little hard to read tone on a forum.... Didn't mean to over-react or anything, I just thought you were saying it in a sarcastic smart aleck way. Forgive me.

Nice scenarios, uninspiredfae...hrmmm...



I think that it would be a hard decision that no woman should have to make...and me calling her selfish by choosing her own life would be a judgemental statement.

But...(yep, theres a but...hehe) The woman has had a rather full life by now...of at least, what, 20 years or so? I don't think it's right to deprive her child the right to live and have a life. And there's always the chance of both of them living, whereas if she aborts...it's guaranteed that one of them dies....(the baby of course...)

That's what my mother said to me when I asked her that question!

My momma loves me!!!!

Ahem, yes, I understand that perfectly... I guess then the child would still have to miss out on his/her biological mother's love... because anyone who can sacrifice their life for another, sure has a lot of love to give.

Why should a woman give birth to a child she is having second thoughts about? Obviously, that child deserves to have a mother that cares about them. What if the woman won't have enough money to support the baby with food, diapers, clothes, and home? Why should that baby have to grow up living in poverty and/or on welfare because of it's mother? I believe that when a baby is born it should be raised to the best of the mother's ability.. That baby should be given the world... And if that mother is thinking about aborting the baby.. then she doesn't deserve to give birth to that child... and that child deserves to have a better mother.

haha!.... ehm, yeah

Anyways. A zygote is um... cells... right? The egg and the sperm.... I understand that it's life. I understand the fetus is known to have developed a lot of things at an early stage in the pregnancy, and i understand why some of you are against it. I totally respect it, and yes, in that respect, i guess that it probably doesn't seem so fair to the fetus--yes technically, it's a fetus

But you have to understand the situation that some of these women are in. Of those i know that had abortions, i think they're better off having had them. Putting the child up for adoption? I wouldn't do that, i'd rather keep the baby if i couldn't get an abortion. (but i already stated this) These girls i know weren't ready to have the baby, they really had no means of caring for it... the government offers help, welfare and whatnot, but it's not really enough. They'll be living in poverty because they're unemployed. They have no education, so they can't get a good career. Their baby's daddy will probaby have left them because some guys are just like that... Why be forced to possibly go throughall this when you couls have terminated the pregnancy... That way, you do everything you wanted to. Go to school, get a job, be financially stable, and then have a baby, and raise it with a responsible guy...

I'm for abortion, and I think it's the woman's right to choose. The government shouldn't get involved in any way where they would deny her right to have one...

Melissa, there's adoption, though - there are many couples out there incapable of having children. They'd love them just as much.

Elba, how old where those girls you knew? Besides...if their moms cared for them enough, they could help them out a little. That's how girls in my school (I don't personally know) take care of their babies. There's always someone in your close family you can count on for the time being as you get your education.

One was in her early early 20s. Another one was like 16 maybe... And another one was like 17 and 18... The 18 year old is pregnant again, but she's getting an abortion. I support her, but I'm also like ":um, you and my bro need to like use a condom or something"

So I thought this was about abortion... I'm not saying that I do not support adoption, that's a whole 'nother situation.

Elba, see...I don't mean to offend anyone (your friends or whatnot), but that's the thing - people should be protecting themselves. Why isn't she on the pill, or any of those other things? Just because she chooses not to do that, she's killing an innocent fetus (as you like to say).

Mel, I know it's about abortion, but I'm saying that if you think because the child isn't loved enough by the mother, she should have an abortion, then there is a choice of adoption.

im against abortion..the babies that they want to be aborted instead of being killed, should be sent to a foster home or sumthing so that someone else would be able to take care of that baby

pro life.

a lot of people say that its the womans right to have an abortion.

but dont forget, the woman also has the right to think about whether or not to be sexually intimate with another man, and bare the responsibilities of the consequences if she does choose to be sexually intimate with that man.

no one told you to have sex.

aw, dont come to me with the rape issue. my baby is my baby. if i kill him/her, im gonna see him/her in heaven, probably with God along side him/her, and theyre gonna have their arms crossed looking at me angrily, and I'm just gonna be like this - .

Also, with the rape issue, if abortion is legalized, think about how many teenagers are going to go running around getting adoptions left and right. Yes, there is that one percent of abortions that occur because of rape, but what about the ninety-nine percent?! Think about it. You sort of have to look at the big picture to see what I'm talking about.

this is prolly the most cynical thing i've ever said, but if you've ever been raped, there's a thing called the morning after pill. invest.

Heh...that's true, though, wildgriffin...

Where are you...cuz it is legal here in the U.S. (Roe vs Wade)


The morning after pill is still a form of abortion, if indeed it turned out you did in fact conceive

Hi, it's me again... no opposing arguments this time... but:

You're right about rape and pills! I didn't think about them until now!

Haha wow I must not have been thinking about that...but I meant in all states...wait...now I'm confused.

Edit: Okay, the continuation of teenagers aborting babies left and right.

Don't the pills go after sperms though? Or do they kill the egg? either way, you arn't really aborting any babies.

All the morning after pill does is prevent the fertilized egg from implanting on the uterus... so for you who say "oh, it's a baby the secong the sperm and egg untie" i would imagine you would be against the morning after pill

Hmm...well, everyone should just go on the birth control pill, then!

don't guys have some form of a birth control pill? We can all take birth control together!

Haha nice.

Anywho, back to the topic; I suppose I'm against the morning after pill as well. Still, as I keep saying - it's only one percent! Keep it legalized everywhere, and more and more innocent lives will be slaughtered! Besides, there's a higher risk of people dying in abortion opposed to actual childbirth now.

Yeah...I don't know what I'm talking about.

But I heard that the morning after pill must be used 72 hours after intercourse... now if people are so lazy that they can't use a condom, or birth control pills, what makes you think they'll use the morning after pill?

EDIT::

Side effects of this pill:

nausea
vomiting
infertility
breast tenderness
ectopic pregnancy-can be life threatening
blood clot formation

With those sort of side effects, I'd wouldn't be using it.

Eh, I think they were saying that using the morning after pill would be the solution to the rape problems. Still, I don't like this morning after pill if it is still technically killing the child, as Elba said.

Well, abortion can be viewed the same way since the baby was never really born. and...there's no proof it [the fetus] constitutes as a human being with rights. cynical ol' me.

how can you kill something that hasn't been born? Bam!

random though* i've never heard someone named Elba* any ways. I still see abortion wrong no matter what light it is put in. like they say best birth control is not having sex and if you don't like that idea wear a condom, shoot both of ya'll wear a condom so ya'll can be 199.98% sure you don't have a child

come to think of it, what makes the fetus "alive". it's just parasiting off the mother till it takes it's first breath. maybe the soul doesn't even enter the body till it leaves the mother. maybe there is no conscience before the first breath. maybe..maybe...maybe it's a subject that has no "right" answer.

i am pro-choice. if you want to make abortion illegal than you should make not have sex also illegal, because sperm and eggs are humans by your definition.



i dont think any teenagers would want to adopt children no matter what the abortion laws are.

also, it doesnt matter what percent are from rape, the point is that the pregnancies that result from rape should be allowed to be terminated. as should all others in my opinion.

lol, in that case, no more killing kittens !!

dont sperm eventually die anyways, even if you dont "kill kittens". And eggs die once a month. STOP ABORTING YOU CRAZY PEOPLE!

no, once the egg has different genes from the mother it is a human. and by having sex, you don't kill the sperm and egg.

not if you have sex then one will survive. and eggs wouldnt die once a month if you keep pregnant, so the only way to not "kill babies" is if you are a girl have a baby every nine months and if your a guy go to the sperm doner every day. that is the only way to preserve these so called holy lives.