i'm totally pro choice. choice meaning 2 or more options. if your morals are against killing babies that aren't even alive yet then don't do it, but please don't try to take somone's rights away to take an alternative.

Yes, but we've brought up this subject again and again. Did you read the previous pages?

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i am prochoice and i thihnk everybody should be
you cant decide whether a woman should get an abortion or not thats not your decision
if that woman chooses to get an abortion then tahts her fault not yours and shes the one who should pay the consequences either during life or in the after life

Oh, so you want everyone to be clones now? That's a nice thought. Secondly, if you're so pro-choice, what about the choice of the child inside the mother?

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i'm totally pro choice. choice meaning 2 or more options. if your morals are against killing babies that aren't even alive yet then don't do it, but please don't try to take somone's rights away to take an alternative.

And if you're pro-choice, then why did you think that suicide is a cowardly way of dying? That's their choice, is it not?

For the most part, I'm For - Pro Abortions.
I know that in some religions, it's something that is strongly detested but I beg to differ. People who are raped have the right to abort the baby, they never asked for it, it was the cause of a crime that never should've been done. Depriving them of this option is wrong, it's not fair. I know life isn't fair, but don't you think the victims have suffered enough from the crime already? And now, they have to take care of a baby by themself, one of which they never wanted in the first place. Yes, they are killing "life" growing inside them, so to speak...but if we were to save every aborted/stillborn baby in the world, the population would increase dramatically, which might not be the best thing that'll happen to the human race considering we'll have less food/water to feed off of.

However, if a baby is accidentally conceived through unprotected sex, then I don't think it's right. I'm still caught in-between on Sex Before Marriage, although I was taught it was wrong...but in the world we live in now, it's hard to stay pure. But I have been, although there has been some temptations, and I'm proud of myself.

Um...how much of this topic have you read?

alright well my brother has a phD in genetics and I want to convey his opinons..well he says that the fetus itself is not a human being. It's just a cloak of cells, during the blastula stage and it can develop outside the cell (why do you think the embryonic stem cell research is so amazing? you can take one fetus and it will divide infinitely and you have a constant source of oragns) but that's the million dollar question how do you do it?

ok that was introduction..now is abortion okay? it would have to depend on the situation. I know a lot of girls who are 15 and have had an abortion. is it okay? that's not the question I think it's whatever you feel right I can't force you to do anything. it's your choice and it's really hard to make a descision without been in the situation

Okay, so what about the future human's choice?

I'm prolife all the way and I disagree with woman aborting babies. Even if it is some cells, I don't think you should get rid of them cuz its a life. Your caring around something that will grow up to have a life. But I don't know about the abortion if you've gotten raped. It's kind of hard to explain to your child, if you don't abort it, that you have no idea who the dad is cuz some guy decided to rape you but I guess it's even worse if you do abort it because then you'll have to carry that in your consciense. You'll always wonder what would have happened if you had let that baby come into your life. My mom thought about having an abortion when she was about to have me and even though she didnt, the thought about it really bothered her throughtout her life. When she did tell me, she was crying and apologizing so much. So I strongly disagree with abortion, especially if you've been really careless and didn't use a condom like some people.

About the population increasin, I agree that trying to save every single child would increase the population dramatically. The only way that would prevent it from happenin would be from stop having sex but I guess that's a whole nother story. Our world is just filled with filth nowadays, I don't think we could do anything about the population increasing cuz people would still have unprotected sex no matter what.

Man, this topic is very touchy.

it is their choice and , after it's done, theres nothing i can do about it but have an opinion.

it's like that saying "i may not agree with what you're saying, but i'll fight to the death for your right to say it". replace "say" with "do" and reduce it from the point of being a martyr and you've got my philosophy.

I don't care how much good light you shine on abortion, it's still murder no matter what. True, that fetus is only how small? and yes, it only was a mistake but that's not the kind of solution to a measley MISTAKE. That little fetus might some day been somebody great, might have someting to change the world some how... live a happy life...and who are you to take away that opportunity? Who are you to rip the little bit of life that they had away from them?

I would really like somebody to explain to me how it is against the law to kill a, say, twenty year old man but it's, legally, pefectly fine to kill a, say, 5 week old fetus. How do you justify doing something like that?

Yes, it might ruin your future. Yes, it's a mistake and you want to learn from it. BUT there's not always the easy way out. You might have been raped and it's not your fault but why should the blame fall on the life inside you? This is called life. Dreams change. Life goes on...if you let it.

I agree that it's not a small thing to kill a fetus. In fact, you said it yourself that abortion is life changing, and anything that can be said to have such an effect on one's life shouldn't be taken lightly.

However, to say that to kill the fetus because it might become something great is very problematic because contraception prevents the possible creation of a fetus that also can become something great. So since contraception prevents the beginning of life and taking the opportunity of greatness away as well, shouldn't we be against using it?



Who made it possible for the life to exist in the first place? Does a fetus have more right than a full grown human to live happily or are we equal? And not to mention that I can easily turn your question around to ask: who are you to rip the chance of normalcy away from the woman?

No, I'm not completely pro-choice because I recognize that repeated irresponsibility shouldn't deserve second chances. But I do believe that ignorance, innocent mistake, and desperation should be taken into consideration.

Morally, it is a wrong thing to do, but logically, it sometimes is the only thing to do.

Trees, and flowers, and plants are living.. and we cut them down everyday.. A woman should be able to choose what she wants to do with her "baby".. Keep it, or abort it. You were raped, by a 48 year old crack head.. would you keep it? Any girl old enough to have sex, and make that decision, should be able to make the choice to keep it or not. I say, it's her choice.

i am totally against it. i don't see a reason to kill the baby when you could give birth to it and give it up for adoption. <---a better solution than killing it!

Abortions are downright cruel, if you have a child you should take up the responsiblity. Babies are too small to defend themselves, technically you're killing someone...people who get abortions are technically killing people...shouldn't they go to jail.

i agree that they should be responsible about it, but isn't abortion sort of a way of being responsible? you can't afford a baby, so prevent it from ruining your life?

Hm..well Im not going to repeat opinions over and over...I agree with most of what ComradeRed was saying, and thats alot to type out.

The only thing I wanted to add was that, to the people a few pages back talking about the risks of abortion, only 1 person in every 100,000 dies, as apposed to 7 per 100,000 childbirths (www.plannedparenthood.com)...Yet another reason for a young mom to go with an abortion *if thats what she wants*..Just my opinion though

Normally, my first reaction would be against it. I think that no matter what stage of pregnancy a woman is in, the baby is a human being, and deserves to be treated as one. I think killing it just to get out of the responsibility is sick and wrong..........

until I found out my cousin was pregnant.

Everyone says that when you're asked for your opinion on a certain subject, you say what you really feel, but it's hard to really feel what you're saying unless you've actually been in the situation. When I found out about my cousin, I knew the only reason she wanted the baby was to somehow "bind" her boyfriend to her. He tried repeatedly to break up with her, and I guess she saw this as a way to keep him. But when he found out about it, he refused to have anything to do with her and the child. Once that became clear, her only choices were to either have the baby and care for it without him, or abort the baby. I know that caring for the baby without him would've been extremely hard for her, and I personally didn't know if aborting it were a good or a bad thing.

Basically, I think abortion is a matter of choice, depending on the mother. I don't like the thought of killing innocent children before they even begin to experience life, but not all circumstances are the same.

im in favor of having women make their own choices but i do think its very brutual i mean if you look it up online the procedures are terrible... i mean i think its silly to use it as birthcontrol the numbers arent real of course doctors lie to make it look that less women die and less are injured each year, its not difficult to not get pregnant just educate yourself ansf protect yourself no need to jump to a surgery to 'fix' your problems...

I completely understand your logic and our world is in great need of compassion.

However on the other side of the arguement, I can say that we live in a democracy where "choice" is the foundation of our nation and the word outlines our life style. Yet in the case of abortion, we force a woman to accept our supposed moral decisions, and take away her freedom to choose in the process?

I say "supposed" because our moral decision for one side can make the other side suffer. In other words, we would save the life of that child in the expense of the woman (in the case of deadly diseases), or the suffering of a woman (in the case of rape).

or you can be responsible and not have sex, until you are ready.

i guess it's different for everyone.........


BUT...

I'm against abortion.

one of my friends is here right now cause his MOMMY didn't do abortion. thank GOD.

i ask all pro life people to do something:

if you're a girl, have a period. wow., you killed a potiential baby.

or...

for everyone:

cut yourself. wow. you just kill tons and tons of cells with the potential to become a human. - every cell carries all the DNA of you.

you're evil!!!!

you're killiing millions of babies!!!!

those cells!!

ahhh the murder!!!!
i accidently cut myself yesterday...
i killed a thousand babies!!!



untill you can take the baby out and keep it alive, it's not murder. the baby is a parasite, feeding off the mother, untill it is born.

Abortion- should be your choice.. I mean I dont get it, how it should be a law and all. Its the persons' life, let them deal with it, not you. Same with a lot of other laws. But if it were to be a law, its be best if it wass illegal ^^ cause yeah, for the obvious its killing an innocent one. But in cases of rape or anything.. should be allowed. uck sick when you think of it :S

in my own opinion i think it counts as a baby when the sperm first enters the egg and the cells begin to multiply. i noe thats not scientifically correct or wuteva but thats how i feel about it, like if i had unprotected sex i wouldnt even feel comfortable takin one of those morning after pills. so i think abortions should only be allowed in rape, or if the girl is really young 15 and under, because i noe by then they should be able to make their own decisions but some girls are still really niive (sp?) and believe anything the guys tell them. so yea

abortion IS wrong...if u dont want to get preggie use CONDOMS....they help a lot,if u get pregnant,the baby is your responsability...u shld think about the consequences bfore having sex!!!!

let me ask all you anti-freedom people ( pro-life as you call it)

is a death certificate required for abortions?

is a death certificate required for miscarraiges?

is using anti-biotics, cutting your hand, or sneezing murder?

Death certificates aren't required because the baby is not born yet. How is it anti-freedom, when pro-life people are protecting the freedom to life of the unborn child?

your reasoning is not even valid in that arguement

^^haha,very true

Spam. Please don't do it again, otherwise I will increase your warning level.

well now that the next four years are going to be republican totalitarianism

if the condom breaks you better save your dough
cause your next abortion is in mexico.

Lacey Peterson is her name right? The girl that was well into her pregnancy, murdered by her husband?

Yes, and he's up for double murder now.

Interesting how abortion clinic doctors aren't up on the same charges as they kill fetuses that are well into their 6th and 7th month of conception.

When you abort a fetus as a woman, you are exercizing your right to your body. Whether the fetus is alive or not is NOT relevant -- it does not have a right to your body space. You have the right to remove it from you. That it dies is just a tragic, but not criminal, consequence.

agreed. your reasoning is not valid.
miscarriages, is not the same as an abortion. and abortion is choosing, while a miscarriage is an accident, it just happens. just like sneezing is. it`s a normal function to sneeze and you don`t choose to do it, it just happens when it needs to. Also, using anti-biotics? that is killing something that is BAD for you, that is potentially harmful, etc. and cutting your hand?? how does that pertain to this??

well even if it is rape, do you NEED to get an abortion? Why can`t you have the child and then give it up for adoption if you really don`t want it?....just because they get raped doesn`t mean they should have an abortion.

if their's one thing Minda has tought me (which their are actually a few) it's that people have the right to their own body and health. if you don't like abortions then don't get one, but respect that people have the right to want abortions (for the time being, anyway). you can dissaprove all you want, but it's wrong of you to try and take away their right to do what they're doing, no matter how immoral it is. i could understand if abortion was hurting somone that you would be against it, cause then i would be too, but who is it really hurting? and will the fetus erally remember being aborted? i can't remeber the first four years of my life. how will they remember the 6 months before they were even born?

well i am pro choice. I think it is anyone's right to decided whether they want the child or not. There are certain circumstances in which someone HAS to have an abortion.. and its not up for other people to decide OR criticise someone for having one. It's like drinking... people do it all the freakin time cause it's "cool"... well its YOUR choice whether you want to drink or not. But it too is wrong! Anyway, its a choice... and people can hate on me all they freakin want.. but you know what?! I know TWO people (one of them being me) who had an abortion. And i would have not made it had I not had the abortion. I'm lucky to be alive. Not only that, but my dad was sent to prison the same week that i got pregnant, so I had no way of going to a hospital to take care of myself or the child so giving it up for adoption would have even been out of the question. So I dont want people to sit here and say "ITS SO WRONG" well, you dont know until you've been in the situation. NOT ONLY THAT... but people who have abortions not only have to deal you freakin people who all you can think about is dissin someone for a situation you dont even know about but it hurts... day in and day out.. and you know the worst part?!?! THERE WAS NOTHING WE COULD HAVE DONE. so no one really has a single right to talk unless they are in the situation!!!

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btw, for those of you who say use a condom.. well, i was on birth control and had a condom... so you decide!

I guess you are right. So if I don't like someone, I can kill him. The government shouldn't take away my right to murder, nor should anyone else. If they don't like it, they can just not murder right? you can dissaprove all you want, but it's wrong of you to try and take away their right to do what they're doing, no matter how immoral it is. [/sarcasm]

How hard is it to understand that the fetus is a parasite feeding off the mother? So technically it's the mother's right to choose if she would want to remove it or not.

What about a baby, who is feeding off the mother's breastmilk? Or the baby, using up all of the mom's hard earned money! Let's kill infants! KILL THE PARASITES![/sarcasm]

if you're so much against abortion, then just don't get one...?? Go convince someone else to not get one... you're not gonna win over the pro-choice people... If someone wants to get an abortion, then so be it, why do u have to but in on it? If it really were so immoral, there would be a law against it, like murder is right?

Is it a crime to masturbate, guys? Oh no, you're killing the sperm you damn murderers... it's still life right? Or how about when girls have their periods... oh no, you're killing the egg! Who the hell are we to say when life begins? PSHH

it is in fact biologically incorrect that the fetus is a parasite.

in technicallity it is the placenta that is the parasite, even though the fetus does in turn feed off the placenta.

In fact, it's been proven that it's the father's genes that create the placenta, and the mother trys to counter it. if the father's genes are defective, the baby is miscarried.


so now we know the placenta is a parasite. so medically, it should be the mother's right to remove it.

now, let's consider the moral aspect:

who are we to say when life begins? surely not at conception. because the two cells were already alive. but then tanning would be murder because it kills skin cells, which are just as alive.

so is it when the fetus takes a human form?

mind you that the skeleton is almost completely formed ( compared to the state at birth) about 6-8 weeks. but almost nothing else is.

it's like building a house. you have to put up the frame work first, or else everything is just a pile of stuff.

so the fetus is still a shell- not yet alive.

but the cells in the fetus need nutrition- and thus blood. blood isn't shared with the mother, so the baby needs it's own pulse. so, the heart and blood vessels develop early.

but this is just a house with plumbing and sewage... there isn't life here yet.

and so on, with most body organs.

eventually the brain develops, and the fetus begins to move by itself.

so, when does life begin?

and what is our place that we decide when life begins?

i made it clear that abortion does not hurt anyone, unlike murder.

you're not a d!ck [/sarcasm]

The baby hasn't been born yet, hasn't been formed enough to be called a human.
Murder is the death of a human.

Why is Scott Peterson being charged with a double murder then? The baby wasn't born yet.

The answer is, the baby has unique DNA from the mother, which happens once the sperm combines with the egg.

I hope we all agree that partial birth abortion is wrong.



You mean to say there is no such thing as a painless murder?

[sarcasm]Keep up the flaming, and you won't be disciplined for it[/sarcasm]

Please excuse this double post, I really wanted to address this post.

That's the worst part. It is a crime, yet there is no law against it. Thousands of babies die as a result of abortion.

I fell masturbation is wrong (But that's a different topic, which I really don't want to bring up). However, the sperm has the same DNA as the kid who's jacking off. So it's his own cells, not a human being.

Girls cannot choose to have periods. It's a natural process. And usually, the egg has expired so it's not viable anymore, hence the need to eject it from to body. And it has the same DNA as the girl who is having the period. So it's her own cells, not a human being.

kryogenix
i agree wit u on both parts

waccoon
well it is human in a way it is! i mean it also matters when u get abortion..how many months pregnant the person is. so u wouldnt kno how much its developed yet

well, then how about this:
fertility clinics harvest eggs and sperm and combine them.

resulting in about TWENTY fertilized eggs. only ONE OR TWO are used.

The rest are THROWN AWAY, not even USED for stem cell RESEARCH, because our MORAL president made it ILLEGAL. not even IF the PARENTS agree to let them use them.


do you know how many people go to fertility clinics? that's 19 dead babys per try. many people try more than once.

But it isn't a baby. In the beginning, it is merely dividing cells with 46 chromosomes. How does that make life?

well if you're against it just dont do it i guess
but you cant stop anyone from getting an abortion if they really needed/wanted it.

this topic has a lot of confusin in my mind. its a big issue, but rlly, most pplz WHO HAVEN'T EXPERIENCED this kind of stuff dont rlly kare about them unless it rlly hits them somehow.

that made no sense.