i said most, if you notice.

because most people don't want the trouble.

Well, I'm not a hypocrite. I can tell you that for sure.

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Not for someone who desires suicide, it isn't.

That's because those people are ones that have obviously gone through troubles and can't deal with their life. Everyone else that isn't suicidal I'm sure is enjoying breathing.

What if you have lung cancer and breathing is really hard?

The point is life isn't always preferable to death for all people...

life is a sexually transmitted disease with a 100% mortality rate.

i don't see why people like it that much.

Good point...

the fetus cannot live for itself. with all the medical technology in the world, the fetus will not survive if the mother dies.

do you call this life?

im both in favor and against it. when you have sex and get pregnant its your fault take care of it. but what if YOU were the one that got pregnant and you want to get rid of it just to save your oh so pure ego then you'd be a hyprocrite

i think that abortion is wrong unless ur a (example) 13 yr. old with a kid or sumthin....but i think tht abortion is killing and it is wrong.

alright, now support your opinion.


life isn't all it's cut out to be.

against.. prolly not for rape tho... but i mean the child can always be traced bak to his father thru dna

I support abortion.

the goverment should have NO place to ban them or decide for women what they are allowed to do w. their body.

if a woman is raped, they should be allowed to give up the baby.
if it threatens her life
if the baby wont have a good chance of surviving
if the woman doesnt feel like she can support the child
and many other situation=a woman should have the choice of abortion.

and about adoption-do you know how HARD it would be to decide to have an abortion let alone have someone tell you to go thru with having the baby and then give it away?? there are many emotions that half of those people out there who are against it have no clue about.

most people don't like abortion, but want nothing to do with the baby that comes as the alternative.

i agree. if abortions are banned everywhere, women are still goin to find a way to have one, from shoving a hanger up there to puncture the sac, to drinkin toxins... i'd rather see them get one in a controlled enviornment where there are far less risks than doing it in an alley...

i think that having an abortion should be entireley up to the mother, WHO ARE YOU TO SAY THAT ABORTION ISNT RIGHT, dont say because of your religion, because everyone is different.

what about all of these religious people outside the abortion clinics picketing with signs that say "murderer" and "abortion is killing" AS IF HAVING THE ACTUAL ABORTION ISNT ENOUGH TRAUMA you have these women screaming at you calling you a murderer and crap like that...

As I said before (I believe in another thread), they can give it up for adoption. I mean, yes, it's not the mother's fault, but it's not the baby's fault either. Half of that baby is still the mother's.

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if it threatens her life
if the baby wont have a good chance of surviving

If my best friend's mom would've gotten an abortion because of that, she'd be dead. There are medical mistakes made all the time. My best friend was going to come out with a horrible physical handicap, and was even told she might die. Thankfully, her mom cared enough for her to go through with the pregnancy and have her child. She came out perfectly healthy. As for the mother not being healthy, we have come far from the middle ages and have new medicines and machines that would help the baby's mother. It's rare that a mother would die from her child nowadays.

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and about adoption-do you know how HARD it would be to decide to have an abortion let alone have someone tell you to go thru with having the baby and then give it away?? there are many emotions that half of those people out there who are against it have no clue about.

Yes, but if they couldn't support it, then they'd love it enough to give it up to an adoption agency, where they'd have a roof over there head and food on their table.

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i agree. if abortions are banned everywhere, women are still goin to find a way to have one, from shoving a hanger up there to puncture the sac, to drinkin toxins... i'd rather see them get one in a controlled enviornment where there are far less risks than doing it in an alley...

Um...people take quite harmful illegal drugs everyday in dark alleys. There's nothing we can do to stop it. Yet, legal things are done in other places as well. Take plastic surgery for example. People are going to Mexico to get breast implants out of our country and getting horrible results. Plastic surgery is legal, of course, and yet, there are still people going to other places to get it done. Sometimes, there's nothing you can do about it.

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i think that having an abortion should be entireley up to the mother, WHO ARE YOU TO SAY THAT ABORTION ISNT RIGHT, dont say because of your religion, because everyone is different.

what about all of these religious people outside the abortion clinics picketing with signs that say "murderer" and "abortion is killing" AS IF HAVING THE ACTUAL ABORTION ISNT ENOUGH TRAUMA you have these women screaming at you calling you a murderer and crap like that...

That is such a stereotype right there. Get this - I'm an atheist. I never grew up in a Christian, conservative family. I'm against abortion.

im talking about drinking chemicals and crap like that great one


notice how i said because of your religion


point is; they'll still find ways to get er done, it would be healtheir for everyone to make them legal

Okay, forget my whole drug argument thing. I didn't quite finish it. But, I pointed out a scenario (which happens everyday) that proves just because something is legal doesn't mean it's going to stop people from doing it the illegal way. Hence, people will try to get an abortion illegally no matter if it's legal or not.

If the "child" is killed before it even exists, it never lived, it never will live, therefore it makes no difference to the child. Killing an ant, in terms of pain (not in terms of significance), would be worse than killing an unborn and not even technically alive child.

I'm talking about more than pain. I'm talking about a future for the child. That child could make a difference in the world that would alter it forever. And, we can't really argue about if it's "life" yet in the womb because everyone's view is quite different that way. I see it as...something was created inside the body; it'll eventually grow up and become human.

This is going to be kind of tough to rebuttle, but here goes... This argument mostly apply to sick and/or diseased women.

Yes, people will do it regardless of the law, but there will be fewer women who'd consider harming themselves by doing it in alley or going to somewhere less safe, when there is a sanitized, certified, legal alternative.

The thing that bothers me most is how impossible it would be to filter out desperation from irresponsibility. I believe in the saying "you've made your bed, you lie in it" and "you reap what you sow"... but some women sincerely deserve help, while others just deserve a good lashing because they take life too lightly.

But the the anti-abortion law doesn't take the human condition into consideration. That we are mortal and prone to mistakes would not even be looked at because once we break the law, we're in the wrong. But being "wrong" can sometimes just mean valuing your own life over the life of your unborn child. This may be viewed as selfish, but it can also be said to be a HUMAN's wish for survival.



I just realize this doesn't make much sense if you're not me........ oh well .


Remember that if we're saying an abortion can prevent a certain future, the same can be said about contraceptions... (some one pwned me using this in an extensive debate in Ethics class )... I guess you can say that contraception isn't the same as abortion because it doesn't require killing a life... but then we'd have to consider the question: when does life begin? I think I'm just trying to confuse myself....

this is a really hard topic..because sometimes it deals with rape...or cases or incest u noe...but i dont really believe in abortion. i dont like the thought...to me is like killing someone....u've created something inside of you..growing n now u wanna get rid of it because its unwanted...i hear alot girls/women who go thru the abortion n they go in a deep depression because they've lost something. but if i was in that position..im not sure wat i'd do..for the time being...i wouldnt abort

TOTALLY aginast... argh...d ont' feel like typing much kuz the backyard neighbors are having' a party.. new neighbors... odn't lyke..

Burn their house down.

i'm for abortion cuz it's the person's decision whether they wanna keep the baby or not

well what if its a health reason, girls can die from becomin pregnant but i say it was your choice live with it, but then again us females need to stand up for our right its our body so it should be our choice but the way things are going it looks like we wont have that choice for very long

ABORTION?? itz so0 cruel!! if ur havin a babii, either u wunt it or not, but if u dont wunt it, abortion shouldn't evn come to mynd! I mean at least put the babii up for adoption, cauz ya kno, they r human beinz readi to grow up n experience thyngz n to step out in2 the wurld, they should have a chance to experience thyngz that we have!! ABORTION iz prob. the cruelest thyng evr.. if ur 11 n pregnant or 15 n pregnant, dont thyng uv abortion, cauz thatz juss basicalli on the lynez uv murder, but if u put it up for adoption, u wont have to deal wit it if u dont wunna n it can styll live a good lyf .. my god!!!!

Ashlyn

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AGAINST IT AGAINST IT AGAINST IT!!!

"Aint" "J00z" on drugs?

im totally against abortion although there are a few exceptions. but its a living thing there and youre killing it because youre not willing to take the responsibility after having sex and the pleasure. although some people go for abortion because they got raped and thats somewhat acceptable i guess, since they cant face the fact they got raped already and they got pregnant. i guess another exception would be financial problems, if they arent able to give their child a normal stable home but they can still have the option to have the baby and put it for adoption. but thats also something to think about because its a possibility your child will have foster parents that abuse them constantly or give them even a worse life you can having financial problems. other than those reasons i dont think there are any more exceptions. a life does make a difference and there are many people out there that probably craves for a baby and they dont get the chance to become a mother while others do and decides to go for abortion. i hope i made sense

i think abortion is horrible. yes, it is murder. its taking somenes life away before they had a chance to lve it, not giving them any choice in the matter. stupid irrisponsible people who had sex without protection should not be able to erase their mistakes so easily. no, the child does not deserve to grow up unwanted and uncared for, but there are alternatives such as adoption. it should not be the womans choiice to decide if she wants an abortion because it was her decision to have unprotected sex. if the child was the result of rape, they should find options other than legalized murder to get rid of the child. or you could take the religous view point and think that God must have given you that child then for a reason. although some people do have some valid arguments supporting abortion, that still doesnt make it right

The point of when the fetus is considered a "living thing" is still debatable.

As for sex and pleasure.... I don't mean to sound like a broken record to those who have been arguing... but remember that there are such things are rape (or kidnapping and raping, or incest.... etc).

im against it. its just like murder

Yeah, but those people covered rape somewhat.

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if the child was the result of rape, they should find options other than legalized murder to get rid of the child. or you could take the religous view point and think that God must have given you that child then for a reason.

But...aren't we all just sounding like broken records in this debate?

The McGreevey scandal has had no effect I believe because people have not thought out the implications. Let me lay out a scenario for you: You and your wife are sleeping peacefully in your bed when you are suddenly awakened by the sound of crashing glass. You look over and there is McGreevey, entering through your window. Your wife groggily wakes up and McGreevey leaps over and pistol-whips her into unconsciousness. You start to get out of bed to defend yourself, but he shoots you in the foot. He then drags you into the living room and does unspeakable things to you. When your wife wakes up she finds your battered and abused body laying on the floor. She is now a widow. I ask you Dems, is this what you want?

I'm confused... What does that have to do with abortion?

I was merely using McGreevey as an example, it could be any gay/lesbian/transgendered person coming through the window. I was showing what could become a common occurrence in American homes if we don't watch out. While I hate to make this a political issue, this could happen if Kerry is elected.

But...about abortion? I still don't see the connection...are you sure you didn't post in the wrong topic?

You got me there!!!!!! , I guess the only comeback is... there are different kinds of rape? Okay... never mind.

Hehe. Blah. Yeah...I hate how repetitive this topic is getting.

Every debate topic is getting repetitive... except for the one I made way back (actually, not thay long ago) ... only because no one seem to care about internet security . Oh well .

im against abortion cuz its life man!!! if u dont want it, shouldnt be messin around in the first place

I posted in it! But but...I didn't comprehend it too well.

ohh man this topic hmm i guess people should have a right to chose but..its a tough thing to decide

Yes, yes you did. I guess it was hard to grasp espcially if you don't have the article on hand, and people don't usually read that long of an article anyway...

Let em abort a kid. Thier choice.

Now that is a too easy. Ever heard of you reap what you sow?

Don't dictate what they can't do.

What can't they do?

okay well to start off, i'm a baptized roman catholic christian and in that kind of school, but i am personally NOT really a practicing r.c.c. (its too long to keep typing) i've been taught that abortion is wrong and blah blah. i personally believe it is wrong but not because i've been taught so, its just my opinion.

i believe that its wrong because its your own living child and sometimes (not always) it can be that woman's fault. its wrong to kill and murder first of all, and the baby is alive even though it hasn't been born yet. yes, its not some women's fault due to rape and such but i believe they should just have the baby and if they don't want it, give it up for adoption or something.

that is what i believe, i'm not trying to tell people what to do. thats just my input.

Im kind of mixed on this topic..

I think that the only circumstance that any woman should be able to have an abortion is if she was raped. If some girl has sex with her bf and the protection doesnt work and she gets pregnant, thats her own fault. She chose to have sex and hopefully excepted the consequences. Thats no reason to get an abortion, at least put it up for adoption if you cant take care of it.

This came from the other abortion topic:


You're against everything I say? I said I would never abort unless I was raped. So you are against the fact that I won't abort if I don't get raped? Now that makes no sense does it? That makes you sound like a hypocrite.

This is a very touchy subject... but I'mma have to voice my opinion on this one.

Most states' rule on abortion is that it will only be done within the first 3 months of the pregnancy. I have been pregnant, so I know for a fact that at the 3 month mark... your baby is moving and is looking very much like a small fetus <well very close to a small fetus> anything b4 that 3 month marker... it's still cells. Which I don't care whether or not anybody wants to argue is a life or isn't yet. This is called pre*term abortion. NOW... there is another type of abortion, which is called late term abortion. [generally done after the 3 month marker where the child is definitely a child by that time] This is usually done when the pregnancy poses some kind of threat to the Baby's and/or mother's life. Late term abortion is not something that is taken lightly and it is only done in emergency cases...

The point is this... you can't always judge somebody's decision so harshly. It may not always come down to the point that somebody was just selfish and "murdered" what would have been a child. Think about the circumstances that person may have to face. What if they do keep a child that they can not provide anything for. That goes for many things such as financially, emotionally, environmentally. A stable healthy environment is important to the well bringing of a child... I'm getting off subject... I'm not for or against it... to me that is a persons choice... I believe the option should be there should somebody choose to do it... however, I believe that if someone should choose to do it... they should do it within the first 1.5 months. And they should be prepared... cause abortion is not an easy thing to deal with.