haha oh c'mon it's just a little humor in the debate forum

I thought mine was a little humorous too... for the other side.

You are talking to yourself friend, for their is no greater being, for their is no god. But thats a whole 'nother story.

This is not the topic for that. There is another one for this if you would like to debate that.

Oh come on we both know that going off topic is a very important part of debate.

if they wanted to abort their child, at least donate the egg or whatever (before its an embryo) to science. at least you can help for things in the future.

hey im not the one who brought god up

i say abortion is murder; either way, it's still your baby.


give it a good home if you don't want to take care of it or something...


or maybe it's the giving birth part they don't really like?..


still murder.

Abortion as I see it is equivalent to refusing food to a starving person who dies as a result. Immoral? Perhaps. Murder? Certainly not. The baby does not have the right to the mother's body, and is only there by her permission.

others beg to differ from my opinion, which is fine.


immoral, sure. murder...


wouldn't it feel like killing a part of yourself? a part of you.


i wouldn't know, and hopefully, i hope i'll never gain the knowledge of feeling that.

... which proves that having an abortion is a bad idea. Not that it should be banned.

i am somewhat against it, somewhat not. it would depend on the situation.

immoral? hardly. you don't want the baby, so you exterminate the fetus. simple as that. some super christian would go "but the baby didnt even have a chance at life!". so what? if the baby would have been born, he would get put up for adoption anyways. i would say in my opinion, death is a better choice than wondering all your life "whos going to be my new mother?"

i guess if that had happened in my case, i would have been dead and not be posting on lovely cb.


end of my 'argument' here...


well, posts.

That's your opinion. The baby no longer has the chance to feel that. You do realize that if they don't like their life as they grow up, they can always end it...

read the topic this girl dies becasue in relationships it might hel you think before having an abortion.

: Dear Mommy,

I am in Heaven now, sitting on Jesus` lap. He
loves me and cries with me; for my heart has been
broken. I so wanted to be your little girl. I
don`t quite understand what has happened. I was
so excited when I began realizing my existance. I
was in a dark, yet comfortable place. I saw I had
fingers and toes. I was pretty far along in my
developing, yet not near ready to leave my
surroundings. I spent most of my time thinking or
sleeping. Even from my earliest days, I felt a
special bonding between you and me. Sometimes I
heard you crying and I cried with you. Sometimes
you would yell or scream, then cry. I heard Daddy
yelling back. I was sad, and hoped you would be
better soon. I wondered why you cried so much.
One day you cried almost all of the day. I hurt
for you. I couldn`t imagine why you were so
unhappy. That same day, themost horrible thing
happened. A very mean monster came intothat warm,
comfortable place I was in. I was so scared, I
began screaming, but you never once tried to help
me. Maybe you never heard me. The monster got
closer and closer as I was screaming and
screaming, "Mommy, Mommy, help me please; Mommy,
help me." Complete terror is all I felt. I
screamed and screamed until I thought I couldn`t
anymore. Then the monster started ripping my arms
off. It hurt so bad; the pain I can never
explain. It didn`t stop. Oh, how I begged it to
stop. I screamed in horror as it ripped my leg
off. Though I was in such complete pain, I was
dying. I knew I would never see your face or hear
you say how much you love me. I wanted to make
all your tears go away. I had so many plans to
make you happy. Now I couldn`t; all my dreams
were shattered. Though I was in utter pain and
horror, I felt the pain of my heart breaking,
above all. I wanted more than anything to be your
daughter. No use now, for I was dying a painful
death. I could only imagine the terrible things
that they had done to you. I wanted to tell you
that I love you before I was gone, but I didn`t
know the words you could understand. And soon, I
no longer had the breath to say them; I was
dead.I felt myself rising. I was being carried by
a huge angel into a big beautiful place. I was
still crying, but the physical pain was gone. The
angel took me to Jesus and set me on His lap. He
said He loved me, and He was my Father. Then I
was happy. I asked Him what the thing was that
killed me. He answered, "Abortion. I am sorry, my
child; for I know how it feels." I don`t know
what abortion is; I guess that`s the name of the
monster. I`m writing to say that I love you and
to tell you how much I wanted to be your little
girl. I tried very hard to live. I wanted to
live. I had the will, but I couldn`t; the monster
was too powerful. It sucked my arms and legsoff
and finally got all ofme. It was impossible to
live. I just wanted you to know I tried to stay
with you. I didn`t want to die. Also, Mommy,
please watch out for that abortion monster.
Mommy, I loveyou and I would hate for you to go
through the kind of pain I did. Please be careful.

P.S
I still love you mommy

i'm against it, especially after taht story i read... anyways because its the parents fault they should not be giving life to a baby and then killing it!!! cause they should have used protection or birth control or just NOT do it! it they are NOT READY to face the world with a baby to take care off!!! pains to see baby's that are having a bad childhood. just like these teens that are still in high shcool with babies.. when they can't even support themself.

No more arguments, so you resort to emotive pleas. Yay.

As much as pro-life that poem is, and how I think it's great...it's not realistic. The fetus doesn't actually feel anything just yet. At least, I don't think it does...

Duh duh duh *suspensful music*.

In Soviet Russia, babies abort you!

it's not the baby's fault, the baby's mind hasn't formed yet. the abortion is usually taken during the first three weeks of pregnancy, where costs are the lowest, where mitosis hasn't occured yet and the fetus is still in development.

Okay, time for Biology 101 with Comrade Red:

Mitosis (n.): Asexual cell division, by which two daughter cells with identical DNA are produced from a single parent cell. Mitosis is divided into several distinct phases, such as Prophase, Metaphase, Anaphase, and Telophase. During embryonic development, this occurs within the first 20 minutes...

Waccon, if you can abort a baby before Mitosis occurs, I stand in awe...

There are tons of families that don't have a father because they walked out on them...they survive...they cope with it. In fact, they're probably better off because they know how to live without a parent. Some of us rely solely on both parental units. Also, it's not in the stomach...hehe. It's in the uterus.

i don't personally think abortions are morally right, but i don't think they should be illegal. i think the girl should keep her legs closed if she isn't ready to have a baby. and the excuse "well we used a condom, or i was on birth control." doesn't work because the only way those two things work is if you hold them in between your knees. there's also the issue of if a girl is raped. it's really the woman's decision whether she wants the baby or not. she didn't consent to the man entering her body. so why should she carry out the pregnancy. but under other circumstances i'm not very sure. the pregnancy might be unwanted but the sex sure wasn't at the time. i don't think abortions is killing a human being because they haven't actually been born into this world yet. i mean i understand the issue that just because a girl is irresponsible and got herself knocked up she shouldn't kill a baby but in reality it is her choice... it sux but it's true...

Yes, but...only in a matter of time they will be.

yes. but they haven't been yet....

i know what mitosis is. it's possible, buddy.

Nick, how is it possible? Mitosis actually creates the fusion of the sperm and the egg. Right?

Nick: Mitosis is asexual cell division. Before mitosis occurs, teh fetus is only ONE cell. As soon as it's two cells, Mitosis has occured. I have a 5 on the AP Bio test and a 770 SAT II Bio, I know what I'm talking about.

Also, Kathleen, the sperm and eggs are created by meiosis, not mitosis. The fusion is simply binary fusion. Mitosis first occurs when the zygote itself divides.

I just think that abortion is just plain wrong.

Ah. *Nods head* Thanks, Dr. Zheng.


This is a debate forum. You have to state your reasons and whatnot, or else it's practically spam in here. Do it one more time...

someone should merge this with the other abortion thread because it's the exact same topic and question.

That's the thing...this one mainly deals with whether or not it should be legal. The other questions its morality...I thought I clarified that in the other one?

im against abortion

the baby shouldnt be punished for your stupid mistake!

its the persons fault if they have a kid they should be more responsible.... but i know how it is to deal with abortion

im against abortion but i dont condem the ppl who do it b/c they could of been raped or something. but i dont like it wen ppl no they could get pregnant and dont take pre cautions then decide to get an abortion just b/c they dont want it, or the ppl who have gotten numerous abortions

hmm.. if it was for the sole purpose of sex..
im against it.. but maybe if the person's spouse left her....

why should the baby pay for someone else`s mistake?

wow this is a long thread.

Maybe it wasn't a "mistake" but rape?

I'm telling you now that this has got to be the umpteenth time I've responded to this sort of reply. Why don't you all read some previous posts/responses before formulating your own?

i dont think it shouldnt be alloweD! i think any1 should be able to have an abortion if they want to, and they shouldnt have to say WHY, because it might be something private- like who would want to say ive been raped??

Hahaha let's face it. No one besides the selective few does that.

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i dont think it shouldnt be alloweD! i think any1 should be able to have an abortion if they want to, and they shouldnt have to say WHY, because it might be something private- like who would want to say ive been raped??

Yeah, but then...if you got knocked up by your boyfriend, if it's kept private, you don't need to tell them that and you get off with it free...

i tihnk it depends as far as abortions.

if the girl was just being irresponsible and she chose to have sex, then abortion is wrong. if she was raped, especially if she's still really young, then i'm not so against it. but for those people who kill their babies when theyre like 5 months along n stuff, its just WRONG. some guy in my speech class gave a speech on it...and he provided pictures...and its just....WRONG!!!

Psh. I'm not even religious whatsoever and I still think it's wrong.

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i tihnk it depends as far as abortions.

Um...this is debate. You're supposed to defend yourself with reasons.

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if she was raped, especially if she's still really young, then i'm not so against it

Still, even if it's not the mother's fault, life has already started to form.

alright, all you pro life people consider this

the alternate to abortion is adoption.

how many kids have you adopted? will you adopt any kids?
adoption is putting your child in the hands of strangers, if there even are any.

some people can give thier child life, but not a life where they can go to school and have a good parent.

Living is better opposed to never living at all. I mean, if they truly don't like their parents, they're free to leave when they're eighteen. That's what's so great about this country. You can actually make something of yourself if you try hard enough.

alright, so when have you adopted a kid? to support pro life?

i think most pro life people are hippocrites.

they want all the kids to live- but they don't want to have to take care of them.

I'm fifteen years-old. Psh I've actually thought about adopting one, so you can't call me a hypocrite.

lol =P ^_^



Not for someone who desires suicide, it isn't.