Different places in the world have different laws on abortion. Some states allow abortion up to a certain age of the foetus, while others don't allow it at all.

So what do you think? Are you in favor of it or against it? When does the baby, which starts off as a ball consisting only of a few cells inside the womb, actually start to count as a human being? Please give some explanation behind your point of view, putting into consideration things such as unwanted pregnancies.

I'm trying to remember what my history teacher said about abortion.. He had a pretty good argument against it.. *ahh brain cramp*

Well I'm mostly against abortion.. not complete though.

I would think it's the girl's fault for choosing to have sex in the first place.
But if she was raped, that's another story.

Pro-life all da way. Life's life. You can't just take it away no matter what the circumstances. I can see how it's tough for rape victims, but they shouldn't take it out on the unborn child. The rape victim has already become a victim. Don't let the unborn child become a victim as well.

Heheh. This is cool. A debate section of cb. Maybe I'll become a MASTER DEBATOR. LoL.

Yea, but when can you call an unborn child a "victim"? A few weeks after fertilisation, the "unborn child" is only a lump made of a few cells - and the average human probably sheds more skin cells per day than the number of cells that make up this "lump". Is getting rid of "it" wrong?

Most religions think it's wrong to even kill off those few cells coz they eventually turn into something bigger.

I guess I'm mostly against abortion. I mean if you got pregnant because of your own fault, then you just gotta deal with the consequences.

But if someone got rape, then I think it would be okay. Coz they didn't want it to happen and it might make them emotionally unstable.

I'm pro - choice.

PRO CHOICE DOES NOT EQUAL PRO ABORTION.

I feel a woman has the right to decide what to do with her own body. I personally would never get an abortion, but if someone I know decided to get one, I would be there for her.

i don`t agree with abortion ... anyways that has the chance to live should ... you shouldn`t be self-fish

But what about in a situation of rape or insest?

i`ll meet you half way there ... even though it wasn`t your choice they should still give it the chance to live ... but if they serious can`t handle it then have the abortion

Sorry, Jess, but I'd hate to inform you that one percent of all abortions are from rape. Furthermore, as Jiggapin0 said, it's not the baby's fault...granted, it's not yours (the mother's), either, but still...don't deprive someone of a life like that.

but is it fair to bring an "unwanted" life into this world? would it be better for the baby if it were to experience the peace of death without pain than experience the harsh realities of life?

Im really against abortion......I know there are circumstances where it is really hard on the girl. I really think there should be another way than abortion. For now I guess its all there is. I just think it is a great lose to society because everyone came from a little "lump" and then they turned into Albert Einstein, Abraham Lincoln, Martin Luther King Jr, doctors, scientist, authors, teachers.

You never know when you will be blessed with a gift that is so profound that it can change the course of the world.

Kathleen must have researched that stats and if thats true with only 1% being from rape than it really is a horrible thing if you can make the grown up choice to have sex and yet not be grown up enough to take responsibility.

this subject is kind of touchy for me sorry if I sound a bit nuts about it

P.S. Adoption is always a choice also......not everyone who wants a child is able to bring one into the world.

Pft - you have to take the good with the bad at times...everyone wants to live...you get great things in life, too, you know. You're saying this as if this world wreaks of evil. Haha. It does, but good prevails. Wow. I don't know what I'm talking about.

I'm personally against abortion, taking a human life, born or not, is wrong to me. If you f**ked up, and don't want the kid, someone else might.

On the otherhand.. I can understand it being a burdon, going thru so much pain, especially when your young and not ready. And I know some of you are going to say "If your ready to have sex, then your ready to take care of a baby." Well, what about those whom were raped? In the end, it's their choice. They will suffer the conciquences. You shouldn't judge them, only God can do that.

What if someone else doesn't want the kid? Does the kid have to suffer a childhood where he/she feels unwanted?

Better to have a hard childhood than to not have one at all.

I suppose people have different opinions about that. I guess if the child didn't like his/her own life they could just leave it.

Yes, I was going to later bring this on, too...who knows what great life will come out of you, regardless if the father was your boyfriend or rapist. As I said before, it's not the child's fault that you got raped (it's not yours, either), and you shouldn't take it out on him.

Yes, well, there was a topic on this in the girl's locker room, and someone brought it up. Hehe. I'm not that smart.

tk started bring up something that was leading into adoption, but as Ty (lq_darksoul) said, is it not better to have a life in the first place? Pft. I'm pro-life.

I could go on and on and on with fact after fact after fact about why abortion is wrong, immoral, unreligious, and totally wrong. I wont go there unless pushed into it, becuz i dont feel like typing too much today....but in my opinion and zillions of other ppls abortion is totally WRONG!!!

Okay, so it looks like most people are against it. But from what point is a baby a baby? From the second the egg is fertilised? or should we protect all our sperm and egg cells just in case they might get fertilised and grow into the next Albert Einstein or Michael Jordan? Am I murdering thousands of potential geniouses every time I ejaculate?

What should the law be? UK law states that abortion is legal up to the 24th week of pregnancy, at which stage the foetus could technically survive outside the womb. Quite a lot of States in America totally oppose it. Should people be given a choice on whether they want an abortion or not?

Pro life. I have [posted my poinion in another one of these topics..let me find it because i am too lazy to type it again ;)
found it!



then someone replied saying

its funny cuz when people see a 16 yr old..they automatically think "shes a slut"
i think u guys have to be in the position to say what u think...have any of u guys ever been pregnant anyways?

and

america is freedom, so why do we CONSTANTLY look for ways to restrict?

I said

ya'll keep saying rape, but that is hardly any of the cases of abortion. Also why should your child suffer rape is wrong completely but that doesn't mean you punish you child. And yes if some 16 year old is sleeping around with poeple i do think she is a slut or if she has a child. That is why you use a condom or the patch, or pill. Like i said you don't do things without weighing the consequences of the actions.

[QUOTE]There is no such thing as actually freedom. You have to put restrictions on things to have a productive society. That is why murdering and stealing is wrong. Do you think if we had the freedom to do what ever we pleased that we would even be alive? As a human society we need boundaries to survive, oreveryone would be dead, raping people, stealing and what not [QUOTE]

wuu that took alot

I think it's the second when the egg is fertilized. Just because it's small doesn't mean you have the right to kill it. Also, no, you're not murdering thousands of potential geniuses everytime you ejaculate because they're not fertilizing an egg unless you're having sex...if you are, then, yes, you're killing them.

I'm not against abortion.

Well, I think people should not have sex until they are ready to procreate, but anyway... People should have the choice of whether or not they want to keep a pregnancy. It's their choice. They are in that circumstance and situation. You are not. The choice is not yours.

For the people who argue that this fetus could grow up to be the next Einstein or Jordan, well, picture this: the leading physician on the verge of discovering the cure to HIV/AIDS is pregnant. She finds out that there's a chance she will die during childbirth if she carries this baby to term. This baby could grow up to be the next scientist who finds the cure to HIV/AIDS or grow up to be the next serial killer/terrorist leader/child molestor/kidnapper. Should she risk it and have the baby? Should she have the option of abortion if she plans to live? You tell me...

People die during aboritons

I am for abortion. It is the decision of the pregnant woman whether she wants to continue along with the pregnancy or whether she wants to terminate it.

No matter how the woman got pregnant, whether she was sleeping around, or got pregnant because she didn't use protection, or got raped or whatever, she has a right to do what she wants to do... Everyone makes mistakes, and yes... if you get pregnant, and you really don't wanna go through with it, then obviously you've made a mistake, and if there's a way to "fix" it, in this case, get an abortion, then go for it!

Here in California, if you're a minor, you don't even need permission from your parents to have an abortion. You DO need to notify them, but you don't need to have their permission.

Personally, if i would have gotten pregnant, and of course I wasn't ready, I would have found a way to get an abortion.... Reasons for wanting one... too young, not financially stable, need an education first, my parents would kill me if they knew i was pregnant, etc, etc.....

So for those same reasons, you're probably wondering, "If those are you're excuses, then you're not ready for some consequences of having sex, so you shouldn't even be having sex, right?" Wrong. We're human, and part of being human is making mistakes. (ok, i think i've been using the word "mistakes" too much, but bare with me) Also, we're human, and we like sex. Humans and dolphins are the only species that have sex for pleasure, other species do it for reproduction,so yeah... We can't help it if we get the urge to have sex once in a while, and we can't help it if we make the mistakes of not taking the proper precautions to avoid an unwanted pregnancy.... but abortion is an option which is availble, and since it is availible, then go for it if you need to.

Now, There is an extent to how much I support this, if you're constantly using abortion as your birth control method, then i think that's where i'd draw the line. If you have an abortion after on, two, or maybe even three mistakes, then I guess that's ok...

I don't think abortion is ever gonna be outlawed here, and if it ever is, then I would be pretty upset....

That's a risk they choose to take.

Yes, Elba, but why would you take it out on the baby whose life is someone else when it's not their fault? I know you're saying that you might not be finanically stable or whatnot, but there is adoption agencies, you know. Yes, you'll probably say that the kid might grow up without someone adopting him, but still...at least...he's living.

Michelle - if the child comes out to be a terrorist/murderer all that you said above, there are ways to contain him and make him stop doing that. There are always people like that. There are not a lot of people that can come up with the cure to AIDS. Think about it.

Having an abortion is not "fixing" it. Have you ever known someone who has had an abortion. I have. She is depressed because of the fact she had an abortion. She actaully does miss her child or feuts as some say. The after affects of abortion is so inement and dangerous that why would you do it. Sure there are the surface reasons, my parents would kill, me not ready...but like i said before if someone who did not make the mistake of having sex without protection and was raped can keep their child there is no reason someone who had sex on their own will can't keep the child



they sure could but that is too much could and if. And if they do that is not your fault. They have free will abd they made that choice

Yes, I have known plenty of people who have had abortions. My brothers girlfriend has had a couple, and this one woman I knew had one too. They've made mistakes, and they shouldn't have the burden of going through an unwanted pregnancy... I have too many neices and nephews as it is, and if abortion is something that's going to help contain that number then so be it

Yeah, some women are gonna be depressed and all, but I think that if you're not ready, then you shouldn't be forced to keep it. And, if i were to be forced to keep it, i certainly WOULD NOT put it up for adoption, in that case, i'd rather keep it...

I understand that it is killing a life and all that stuff, but... I believe the woman has a right to do what she thinks is best for her, it may be selfish, but ultimately it is her decision

I belive it is her decision because I do belive we have the "right" to choose someones life, but then again i don't belive we have rights, we have privledges

I'm not saying you are, but I am saying "that" is selfish. Look at Martin luther king, what would happen if his mother had an abortion, blacks would still be discriminated and that would be horrible cuz i am in love with one, what would happen if all of the improtant history makers that made us free, that gave women rights, that destroyed racism and things that tore nations apart were killed, because a mother a woman made a mistake and messed up and didnt want to pay the price, it is selfish and immature, its like a little kid who does something their not suppose to and throws a fit when they have to be punished, except this is much bigger, this is a childs life, a humans life.

^ That is certainly not true, if not Martin Luther King, Jr., then surely someone else would've fought for civil rights. He did not single handedly wipeout discrimination because that still exists today.

Yes, but there wouldn't have been a Martin Luther King Jr. in the first place. Same thing with all the great leaders we look back on - many of them did do things single-handedly.

Yes, but we will never know what will happen, so why are we gonna start with the "what if"s?

We do know that it is life no matter what. That's not a "what if".

I think it is wrong that ppl think that they have the right to take a human life and destroy it, to take a living creature and kill it.

Regarding this comment, and since I haven't seen any hard proof or evidencial material to substantiate any of your claims yet...

According to Kansas City Star (this was an editorial on the February 13th edition of my hometown's paper):

"Of all abortions committed from Jan. 1990 (when clinics began logging causes of abortions) to Dec. 2003:

86% Unwanted pregnancy (female choice)
12% Health risks (to mother)
1% Fatal health risks/deformalities (child)
1% Rape cases"

Read the print in bold.

I can't remember, I think some 10,000+ abortions have happened in that time period.

Allow the whopping 14% of mothers with legitimate abortion reasons to have them.
Arrest/fine the 86% that needlessly murder children every week.

Yes, that's what I think I said before. Still, either way, even if it is rape or incest, the child deserves to live - it's not its fault.

well...it depends cuz there are many different viewpoints out there...many people are pro-choice and prefer that women should be given a choice as to whether they want an abortion are not. other people are pro-life, meaning that they regard the fetus as a potential human and that it is morally wrong to kill lives. for me, i believe that women should be given a choice to decide for themselves what they want to do because of the freedom of choice in America. but the other side of me contradicts this belief cuz i also do believe it is wrong to have an abortion because it is considered murder, both in the moral and biblical sense. because im a christian, i believe that having an abortion would be killing a life as also stated in the Bible, and therefore, i am against it...

however, if someone was raped, i think it would be justifiable since the victim did not have a choice of whether they wanted to be pregnant or not, wheraes, if a woman had sex just for the fun of it and became pregnant, it would be a different story...so it all depends...

but everyone deserves to live...

Okay, so if you're pro-choice, the baby doesn't have a say in this. You know if it could talk, it would pick life...why not? Everyone deserves to live, and everyone should.

I'm pro choice only because there's a danger in passing a law that will ban abortion.

Young woman, who were raped or desperate enough to kill the fetus, will find ways to have an abortion. They could die in an ally trying to do it themselves.

That's true, but there's a flaw to every system. More people are dying with abortions.

Abortion is one of the issues that enrages me the most. These are babies that you kill! I hate it that people call the baby a "Fetus" which is some stupid term that a doctor somewhere made up to desensitize us to the fact that these are human BEINGS!

*sighs*

The rape/incest argument is invalid. Like Kathleen said...its only 1%, and even so...How can you justify killing the baby? It's not the baby's fault in the least bit that his mother was raped. If it's too painful emotionally for the mother to keep the baby, then she can adopt the baby out.

There are so many simple solutions, that absolve the "need" for killing these babies. I still don't understand how these people can be so callused...

I know I just repeated all of the arguments that have been cited so far, but I don't care.

i dunno .. i`m on both sides. i`m mainly against abortion because as a catholic i do believe its wrong. but then again, there are some circumstances where it seems reasonable. there`s never nothing right about taking a life .. but if a girl was raped, then abortion is reasonable. but if she was pregnant merely by having sex with someone willingly, then i believe its wrong .. even if she doesn`t want the baby or isn`t ready. have the baby and give him/her up for adoptiong, don`t take his/her life.

I remember doing my history project on abortion.. and it sickened me how they kill the baby.. i mean the older it is.. the worse it gets.. blah i dont even wanna talk about it now.. I can see if someone got raped and then they got pregnant.. but then again.. its hard to say ..its still wrong

That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard!! It's easy to say that when you're not the one who has to carry it. It's not the babies fault...no DUH!! So it's the woman's fault she got raped?? It's not bad enough that she had to go through something that horrible in the first place but now she has to carry a baby that was conceived out of violence, push it out and give it up?? Puhleeze!!

i am AGAINST abortions...killing an innocent person that hasn't even been born yet is wrong and cruel....

Heh...I'm pretty sure I added that it's not the woman's fault, either. I agree, it will be painful, but at least through this tragedy, you could bring another life into this world. Granted, you don't have to keep it, but still...it's a life we're talking about here.

that quote wasn't off of yours it was white chocolates...and yes it is a life;however, the mother's life and well-being are to be considered also. I'm just saying that I don't care if it's 1% or 50%...the choice should be there. why should the woman be punished twice...first by being raped and secondly by being made to carry a child made through violence and resentment. She will have a constant reminder in her head of what has happened to her, let alone made to live carrying a creation against her will

Look, I never said I was going to offer any hard proof or evidence. I didn't even make a claim. I just asked a question. Jeez.

I'm not trying to change what you believe; you're allowed to believe what you want, whether I agree or not. I was simply making a statement as to what I personally believe.