I personally feel as though the military has some benefits, but it also is a bit unconstitutional. Now I know if you are reading this you're thinking, "How the heck is the MILITARY unconstitutional?" I know it helps to protect our country and it ensures a certain level of safety. However, the military discriminates against homosexuals. Some argue that there is a "Don't ask, don't tell policy." This is true and there are any who are comfortable with this. However, isn't it unfair for those who wish to protect our country, cannot even openly express themselves. If they do they will be kicked out of the military. So under the "Don't ask, Don't tell" policy, they must keep their expressions to themselves, which is in violation of the right which is guaranteed by the 1st amendment of the constitution. By not allowing freedom of speech and expression of their sexuality, then you are violating a right that everyone deserves to have.

Now believe me, I am not against the military. I actually feel as though the military is a great organization which protects citizens. However, I do believe that some of the ideologies should be reconsidered.

You don't know what you're talking about.

Your personal rights and freedoms as a human being aren't stripped from you because you're part of a military branch of service. "Don't Ask, Don't Tell," is about protecting that individual. It's widely accepted for a woman to be a lesbian in the military, specifically in the comabt oriented branches of service. But for a man to come out of the closet and put his business out there, he puts himself at risk. He then becomes a safety hazard in his own right. People are people no matter where you go. On one hand, you'll have guys who don't give two shits about someone else's sexual orientation, but then you have those who see it as a problem. In order to protect that individual from hate crimes (which have happened in the past), he has the freedom to do what he pleases behind closed doors, outside of a military setting.

this is a clash between ideals and reality though i think. ideally...everyone should be able to be whatever sexual orientation they want openly. that's a nice thought, but it's not a reality and until it is then it's a safety hazard. i duno, i just think you're not bridging the gap between what it should be and what it is. no matter how much it should be one way that doesn't change the fact it's not there yet. with that in mind i don't consider it really a "violation". i think it's a violation in theory, but in terms of reality..not so much.

but for a man to come out of the closet and put his business out there, he puts himself at risk. He then becomes a safety hazard in his own right. People are people no matter where you go. On one hand, you'll have guys who don't give two shits about someone else's sexual orientation, but then you have those who see it as a problem. In order to protect that individual from hate crimes (which have happened in the past), he has the freedom to do what he pleases behind closed doors, outside of a military setting.

i don't see what you don't get. everyone running around expressing their sexuality without any consequence or threat isn't reality.

bradon just said that

i don't think it makes sense to compare the heavily security surrounded obama to a normal solider.

if i was gay and in the military i'd go by a don't ask don't tell policy anyway becuase my sexuality would be an irrelevant piece of information in the first place, just sayin.

Wow! That sure got me thinking twice before going into the the Army.

Well thank you for the heads up then Dee!

You shouldn't be allowed in the debate forum.

I decided to join the Navy this week. I am following in my parents footsteps in taking on greater responibilities for myself and serving my country. I am gaurenteed a job in a field full of people with similar interests as myself, and I get all of my college payed for.

The OP says that people usually don't get a chance to go to school while in the military. Where are you meeting these people? Both of my parents went to the Navy and earned their Masters degree's while serving.

The military is a place where you can meet new people and see the world while getting payed at the same time... what is wrong with that?

1. Mongomery GI Bill. Invest $100 a month for a year, you will get $36k towards college. Invest for a extra 4 months and get $48k towards college. Once you step foot in bootcamp, your earnin colleg credits. Anytime they train you yur gettin college credits.

2. Geared towards military job? Do you mean government job? This is false. Right now my job is a eletronic technician. I'm pretty sure I can easily find a cilivian job once i leave the service. I know a guy who lefted the service after he did his 5 years. Got a job in less then a week and is gettin paid $150k/yr. Doubt anyone can earn that much straight out of college without no type of experience what soever. You can go Nuke, leave after your 6 years and EASILY make $200k a year.

3. Recruiters does not target a specific race. You either walk into their office and request some info or request them online.

4. There are more sexual assualt and harrassment on women outside the service.

5. They tell you what you are giving up before you sign on the dotted line and say yur oath. If your scared to lose your rights, dont join at all. Simple as that.

6. Last time i check its dangerous to work at construction sites, hospitals, work in law enforcement. Its a dangerous world we live in. Get use to it.

7. Too late to save our planet now. Getting rid of the military wont accomplish squat.

8. Heh. Dehumanizing? Its more like a mental game they play. A mental game where they weed out the weak and strong. If you cant keep your area clean or follow directions, who would trust you in handling missles or drivin the boat? Sure they chew you out. Its like your parents yellin at you only 10x worse. Yes soldiers are trained to kill but that doesnt mean they run around shooting everything that moves. They only shoot when they are endangered. Its either kill or get killed.

Right now im stationed in Groton, CT. Im still in school and still will be for the next year. Im getting paid just to learn.

Ya'll should stop your humanism. It's more ridiculous than cool you know.

I joined the Marines and I'm pretty chill with my decision

My unit's pretty laid-back, we're just a bunch of techies sitting around until we start deploying for Afghanistan (which equals hazard pay which equals more money). I get 80 grand for college when I leave so that's not too shabby either

Also, sorry for volunteering

...we're just a bunch of techies sitting around until we start deploying for Afghanistan (which equals hazard pay which equals more money).

Sup Devil.
I smell yellow paint!

Haha, I kid, I kid.

Is the Hazard pay the same in Iraq as it is in Afghanistan now? Or do they still get less in Iraq?

Yuck!!! Marines.
Im just playing. Not really.

Is the Hazard pay the same in Iraq as it is in Afghanistan now? Or do they still get less in Iraq?
Yuck!!! Marines.
Im just playing. Not really.

^brandon?

Oh i thought he was in the Navy...

Oh i thought he was in the Navy...

1. Joining the military is hazardous to your education.

It all depends on your motivation, you don't have to give up your education to join the military. I joined for money for my higher education, and I am doing online classes right now while I am serving my time (2 years).

2. Joining the military is hazardous to your future.

Since I am living life day by day, I have no idea how my service is going to impact my future. As of now, I love what I do. I do plan on going to law school after 4ish years in the service. You have to decide if you want to make your service 20 years or 2-4 years. It's your decision.

3. Joining the military is hazardous to people of color.

I am white so I don't know anything about this.

4. Joining the military is hazardous to women.

I have a penis so I also lack knowledge in this department.

5. Joining the military is hazardous to your civil rights.

It all depends on your sergeants/officers. I keep my mouth shut so I can get promoted, but I know sergeants and other NCO's that say what they want whenever they want. You don't all the sudden become a silent person. You just need to know when to say it, who to say it around and the context of what you say.

6. Joining the military is hazardous to your health.

I get free health care, if I need a perscription filled I walk inside the hospital and show the pharmacy my ID, I get brand name medications for free. Most of the people here don't realize what it costs for health care because they still piggy back off mom and dad.

7. Joining the military is hazardous to the environment.

You get in a car everyday, we do some crazy shit, but I can tell you 100% what we do gets cleaned up by privates.

8. Joining the military is hazardous to our lives.

Yea, it is. We understand that and live with that fear everyday. I haven't been to war (I have a desk job) so I can't tell you how it feels to be in a extremely dangerous situation. On that note, I would be willing to give my life for the people around me, once you live with people like yourself (AKA your battles) you would do anything to keep them alive.

I have never met a decent marine that was sane or not a complete douche bag alcoholic/ nut
Can someone please prove to be otherwise?!

government be ripping you a new one... with your pay...so small... i laugh at 's in uniform... they think because they wear a uniform... they are better... when in fact a person who isn't wearing one makes 3 times as much... true the uniform gets you more pussy.. but it also get's you a bullet in your ass killed.... think about it....

government be ripping you a new one... with your pay...so small... i laugh at 's in uniform... they think because they wear a uniform... they are better... when in fact a person who isn't wearing one makes 3 times as much... true the uniform gets you more pussy.. but it also get's you a bullet in your ass killed.... think about it....

*Looks at ass*
Im in Iraq. No bullet yet.

Murder can never be justified.

I've been out here since August. What FOB are you on?

Firefights are short-lived and overrated. Getting to a decent vantage point, and catching someone in your scope is what's really good. The only real concern I have out here are IEDs.

Murder can never be justified.