I thought CB allowed you to advertise in your signature. I think CB should be much clearer in their rules rather than changing people's signatures without warning.

Doesn't CB state that we can advertise in signatures?

If we can have a Forum advertise in the Web site section I don't understand why my signature, along with others, as been altered. If you own a forum, it's considered a website that you put your time into.

I AGREE! I have a forum---that's for FILM. And I don't understand how that competes in ANYWAY with CB.....

And now I'm no longer allowed to advertise?? No advertising forums completely?? My forum is for people who want to make films and LB's forum is set up totally different than CB is. It's set up like a prep school. This just doesn't make sense.

SHARE THE LOVE

Waste too much space ?
We have competing sites too.

I'm neutral.

But there is a difference between competing sites and non-competing sites. We post our websites because CB helped us learn. And the fact that there are mods who ARE NOT CLEARIFING this subject makes everything confusing. If you are going to inforce a rule shouldn't it exist?

What do you mean wastes space?? It really Doesn't at all. A text link?? I've seen people here with links that truly are worthless and our forums have a point to them.

Text links take up very very little space. You could just stop the competing sites.

I think we should focus on CB inforcing a rule that it doesn't have.



http://www.createblog.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=970

Define: Commercial

Commercial is a website that you purchase things from.

FORUMS are NOT Commercial sites unless people are making a profit off of them or indirectly making a profit off of them.

RF (retrofied forums) is not making money off of advertising in CB sigs in anyway. RF does not Deal with money at ALL. It was/is a site that was created for fun to host design competitions and earn points.

Differences Between RF and CB
-CB isn't split into houses/clubs and is not set up like a prep school; RF is
-CB was designed around offering layouts, RF was not designed with that as its soul purpose
-The Forums have different sections, different names, different everything
-RF was NOT branching off of CB and never intended to. It is a forum created as a different idea.

It seems...(In my opinion) that certain people on CB staff do not want advertising in sigs because they fear people leaving the forum. However, that is not RF's fault. If people leave your forum and join other forums the other forum did not kidnap your members.

Thank you.

Thank you Molly, you're right.
And this isn't just about RF. This is about a few other forums I've had in my sig that people at CB are into as well. Forums like a Harry Potter Forum, a Writer's forum, and a film forum. These forums have not only been removed from my signature but also other CB members.

Umm get over it. We weren't allowed to advertise GenEff and we dealt with it.

If people want to join, they will contact you.

It's the principle that CB is inforcing rules that it doesn't have. I'm not trying to uproar about my forum. I'm trying to get this clearified for the CB users who have had their forums removed from sigs as well.

How about YOU get over YOURSELF.

GenEff was a different idea and several times was attacking CB's ideas.

No offense. I'm in a pissy mood.

And by the way, people do want to join, but the don't know the link and they do PM us.

I mean ... it takes up space according to one staff member. I don’t have proof for that. We can’t stop competing because other sites are against us ... including joking.

Instead of advertising, why not submit your site to createBlog Top site or use the personal message system.

WELL if you're going to consider putting up a link for a form "advertising" then putting up a link for a personal site is advertising as well.

And what i mean by that is NEITHER is actually advertising.

I never look at topsite, but I do look at people's sigs. I'm sure most people look at topsite and that oh all the forums we make get so high up that other people are actually going to get on them!

again, i'm in a pissy mood.
BTW we do use the personal message system.
And also it still isn't advertising.
And a link takes up less space then a PM

We deleted useless pms.


There are 3 topics with reasons why advertisements will NOT be allowed.
http://www.createblog.com/forums/index.php...65&hl=advertise

http://www.createblog.com/forums/index.php...91&hl=advertise

http://www.createblog.com/forums/index.php...94&hl=advertise


statements from random people ...

I don't consider linking in sigs as advertising to be quite honest. I see it as a list of people's projects. If I like them I want to check out what they've done so I can help out. I know even STAFF does that.

I really had thought we had established advertisments in signatures had been sorted out, since during the Dynsaty phase, those got to stay. Now, I can kind of understand the ones that offshoot from cb, like rf and genf and clique etc, but the link to my friend's Harry Potter role playing forum Linda Belle had in her signature is gone too, and I don't think that makes any sense at all, especially since at one point we had a member called individualityy who had her own Hogwarts forum with a link in her signature and it never got removed, and a lot of dedicated members of cb joined. (I think we all stopped going quickly enough. but that isn't the point).

Also I believe there are forums yet to be removed (rightly so since they have nothing to do with blogging) and when sA links were up no one removed those. And I can understand if forums were bashing CB. The Harry Potter forum was NOT and RF is for art and design and has NEVER bashed CB.

cB is base on graphic. Rf and Harry Potter is base on graphic too ... just like you say.

There's official /designer membership's standard about loyality.

edit

I dunno about harry potter.

CreateBlog is based on BLOGGING.

MY List of WHY this is SO Wrong:
(I have NEVER been this angry with a forum in my entire life. And I actually like the people on CB staff)

• Your "by-laws" are turning into the "laws" for a dictatorship and just to let you know the advertising thing ISN'T exactly WRITTEN INTO your "constitution"
• Nothing is proving to me that you actually know the differences between "advertising", "commercial", "personal", etc. Take it from someone who licenses songs from movies. If you have a PERSONAL movie you have to pay nothing. If you have a commericalized movie you pay a LOT
• I just love how you guys link to topics and get other people to do the work for you and quote other people all the time instead of trying to take the time and explain it yourself. Or maybe you just don't know how to explain it because you don't exactly understand it?
• Just because I meet someone on CB and start a forum with them does not mean the forum is a "branch off" of CB. I'm NOT PERMANENTLY ATTACHED TO THE CB BODY.
• Your rules can be very loosely interpretted...What's written is what's written; however they are kind of vague. The Catch phrase everyone has been quoting
  
  QUOTE
  Advertising
  Posting a thread for the sole purpose of advertising is not allowed. personal pages are only allowed in your signature, and commercial pages are only allowed for purposes of providing information.
  
  Does NOT specifically say "NO FORUM LINKAGE! STOP IT NOW". It is NOT clear and it the actions that the mods are performing are NOT justified. YOU KNOW IT.
• I think sometimes CB goes to peoples heads. Guys, it's just a forum. All forums were created equal and SO WERE THE PEOPLE ON THEM. That doesn't mean SOME people should be allowed to do certain things while others aren't
• I don't care if you want me to leave, I don't care if you hate me now, and I really don't care if you think i'm right or not. I'm glad if you read this and took the time; my poodle is trying to eat my dinner, and so that i don't burst my bubble, I'm going to stop this post

You can quote me if you want and stab me in the back, but at least i gave an opinion without relying on SOMEONE else to do it for me!!

Uhh Harry Potter is based on these books....

^
haha, i just realized it.



Fine, it's both.




Problems keep on happening again (foreverrr ... ). Who like to repeat themself? Why not quote ? Btw, I understand every posted quote.

Right but instead of explaining it for yourself---you go ahead and post 3 whole threads, which i actually took the time to look over.

A responsible person would state what his/her response is TO those threads instead of just POSTING THEM.

Ever written an English paper? You're supposed explain the quote.

And it doesn't matter if you "delete" useless PMs.

You're still wrong.

this is why we have the bylaws section to clear up all of these unofficial/unwritten rules that cb has . . . so im going to move this topic there for the bylaws committee to discuss and decide on

Thank you Heather, I think this should be voted in by-laws.

Spritual Winged Aura.
I saw you edited your post...

1) You just posted more quotes said by other people to prove your point instead of explaining the quotes for yourself

2) You proved my point again.

Thanks.

Sorry for being mean ><

EDIT://and by the way, good job at giving credit where credit is due....when it came to all those quotes, we still don't know who said them...

At least we know that the main quote everyone's been referring to came from the rules and Jusun Lee!

It's alrite. I'm not a mean person at all!


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I guess ... this topic can be close ?

neverrmind





I forgot, this went to by-laws. darn it. As i mentioned before, i'm neutral.

^ Yeah uh NO! Not until something CLEAR is solved. The people need to know.

Even I'm confused...

I hope CB staff isn't trying to avoid this issue, because by the way this looks they are. This thread has yet to be concluded or even proven against. The committee needs to read it and vote, you should be aware of that Spiritual Winged Aura...?

I apologize for treating you like you were irresponsible,
but i really do think this topic should stay open *calms down*
I stand firm on this, now.

And if it doesn't happen, I will still believe it should have been that way. Change the rules, but you can't change my mind.

Createblog isn't a forum soley devoted to graphic art. It's a site dedicated skinning blogs. Clique was seen to be a competing site, but Jusun approved Clique as noncompeting. Clique is a community for artists, and has NOTHING to do with blogs.
Retrofied has nothing to do with skinning blogs, either.

I think clique being deemed as competing was more out of spite than anything else...

Oh okay. Every sites are not competed, we know that. Can you tell me your main point for this topic? I'm confused.

Where is the confusion??

I don't remember where the thread about clique mb is.. But it sorta explained things a little better I think.. Or at least it explains what is meant by "commercial". You're right, it's not exactly a law per se. I thought it was a rule for official members at least to not be affiliated with competing sites, but I don't remember if/where I saw that.. But I believe someone was planning on opening the issue in by-laws anyway.

Just to clearify- I did not make this thread about advertising competing sites. I made it about member sig changes on the bases of "NO ADVERTISING AT CB" even if the site was no where near advertising. Just clearifing.

Nah, I don't necessarily have an opinion on this issue, so I'm not trying to prove or disprove a point. But I did want to mention that the issue will be brought up in by-laws if it hasn't already been done. Er.. Well, technically any committee member may do so if they want, right?

I'm not seeing the big deal about advertising other forums in signatures. First of all, I don't think the "no advertising" rule should apply to signatures. A signature is a personal piece of information and anything should be allowed, with the exceptions of inappropriate material (such as pornography and profanity).

Secondly, even if the "no advertising" rule applies to signatures, I hardly think another forum qualifies as "commercial". One can also argue that even if it does, it is merely "providing information" (the address of the forum).

Thirdly, I don't understand the reason for forbidding "competing" sites. First of all, cB is a great place--great enough that even other forums won't detract from its membership, and just because a person belongs to several similar forums, does not mean they are not active in each community. Secondly, what is "competing"? I could be wrong, but I don't think cB is a commercial venture--while it makes some money from ads, I don't think its primary intention is to serve as primary income for an individual, group of individuals, or corporation (please correct me if this is inaccurate). Therefore, I don't see the problem in allowing other forum administrators to advertise their own forum in their signature.

I think so. This is in by-laws or will they make a new thread?

Hmm. Well, thinking about it.. Technically, this thread is in by-laws so you could consider it up for discussion. The committee members just need something to vote on. *shrug*

i deleted the signature links to RF because i was told to!!

but alvin (maestro) & mike (mikestah), your new forum was comepeting (IMO) because it had xanga, myspace & website skins. (i think those were it) BUT STILL.

I understand about competing sites. But RF (and others like Dark Dimension) were deleted from my sig.

Someone TOLD you to do something? But... but... you're the great Frankie.

well, i do know that i'm the great Frankie but there ARE people above me.

Well, that's the only way I'm reffering to you from now on.

And can mods address this subject please?

well, ill try to get the committee together since we havent discussed anything in here in a while and well try to come to decision as soon as you can make a proposal of what needs to be voted on.

but for now, since frankie is of higher power, but was told by someone of even higher power to remove it, theres no point trying to fight the system. just make your proposal and the committee will sort it out.

edit:
then again, if it was to be deemed as a competing site, the mods you have now wouldnt be able to be mods. you should have probably been contacted or something if it was a competing site which i think was ruled out although i heard from a little birdie that someone considered it to be one.

Well could the higher members explain why instead of secretly doing it and not even telling us?

//edit
And why they believe RF to be a competing site and why the removed a Harry Potter forum as well?

alright, so here is what needs to be discussed.

-competing sites. how do we consider them to be competing?
-should forum links be allowed and to what extent?

This is for committee to decide.