^ In order to be successful you must think ahead.

that was......random^

i dont even know what to say to that "statement" lol

jeez i keep thinking im in the debate forum, seriously!

I meant crappy in terms of the durability and lifespan of their hardware. My PS1 crapped out on me a mere five years after I got it. My NES? Nearly 20 years.

I used to work in receiving at Sears, and the most TV returns we got were Sonys because they didnt work properly.

And no one named them king of consoles. Not as far as Ive read, and I read alot. Unless youre quoting your buddy who supposedly used the Revo controller.

I can call Sony stuff crappy because of knowledge and first hand experience.

You cant call Revo controllers uncomfortable because there IS not knowledge and you have NO first hand experience.

The entire Animated Series of The Legend of Zelda is currently out on DVD.

yeah, and i used to work for best buy and most of the returns come from mitsubushi...




this was my first post, i think the main key is that i said "i THINK this is a stupid idea" and i listed reasons in the form of numbers to show as to why i THINK this. plus you guys constantly say "it will be awsome!" and you dont see me bitching about it.

for the current generation of gaming microsoft was second place to sony, from sales and consumer acclaim, thats why you see microsoft saying "we wont be second place to Sony this time" gamecube was 3rd.

i can say i think the Revo controller is crappy because my first hand experience in gaming... if i wanted to use that argument.

calling sony crappy is still nothing more than an opinion...

and in what way is Sony "agressive" with their DVD's? please enlighten me because i dont even notice what movies are sony's movies.

i had my playstation since it came out, and i can still use it... so i dont know what you did to yours...

We only had one mitsu TV and it was a big screen so we didnt really sell that often.

Prove it. I know I never said "It will be awesome" or anything nearly as difinitive as that, and I dont recall Kryo doing it either. But lets not take that argument into this post.

Actually, Nintendo was second in console sales, and number one in hardware sales, as well as number one in software sales (Since Sony and M$ dont make games) and they made the most profit.

How can you say its your first hand experience when youve never experienced it??

Nearly all DVDs are Sony DVDs, its ridiculous how many movie houses they own and how many DVDs they produce all the time. But I never said they were aggressive with their DVDs. Youre making quotations on something thats not a quote.

I didnt do anything but normal shelf wear and playing it. My PS2 is going a bit wonky too, and Ive only had it for 4 or 5 years.

Ha, I wish.

before i refute if gamecube was even number two...
isnt the main point that that playstation was number one?

what the hell are you doing to them!? lol. ....and mines are still working...



how is it...ridiculous? its like you hate them for being successful...



um this is when you said Sony is more aggressive. you werent specific, so i have to assume you mean with all their electronics... and fine lets have it your way, let me refraise my question, How, in any way is Sony "agressive" with their products? explain to me, please enlighten me, because i dont feel like im being aggressed by sony AT ALL. So already, you know our feelings arent mutual. and its not like they have a gun to your head saying you buy or you die... if advertisements make you give in so easily you need some strong will.



this is how the argument about Sony began. and you basically agree with him. bringing our arguing to where it is now.

all nintendo has is nintendo Gaming systems... Sony makes Blu ray players...so yeah they're gonna try to get you to buy their Blu ray player, Sony makes TV's, so yeah their gonna try to get you to buy their TV's. their not gonna say "GO BUY TOSHIBA'S TV's!" sony makes comps, so yeah their gonna try to get you to buy their comps... just like the Hiltons would want you to go to their Hotel, just like Direct TV wants you to buy Direct TV, just like Magnolia wants you to buy Magnolia home theatres,or just like Samung wants you to buy their TV's, and laptops, and portable DvD players etc. But the main key is that they dont force you too, if you couldnt play playstation without a Sony TV that'd be pretty bad, then that would be a good argument, but this isnt so.

i said my first hand experience in gaming and i said "if i wanted to use that argument. the point was that i can use that same argument you did. and i've used light guns before, and its not like its unimaginable. in fact its very easy to imagine, just take you're mouse in one hand and a skinny remote in the other, and act as though you using it as you would on the rev.

My point is that Nintendo was number one out of the three companies.
When I said it was ridiculous I was trying to point out the massive amount of movies they produce, not that it was horrible. They put out some of my favorite movies.
How about graffiti PSP advertising in various cities across the country? Id consider that aggressive.
Wrong. I already pointed out they sell a hell of a lot more than just Gaming systems. Havent you EVER heard of pokemon? Know who owns that? Nintendo.
My point wasnt whether or not Sony was using business initiative, my point was that their advertising and marketing strategy was MORE AGGRESSIVE THAN NINTENDO'S. Stay on point.

Anyway, you cant buy a Sony camera without a Sony memory stick, now can ya?


You cant use that argument because you dont have any first hand experience! You can say you have experience in gaming so suddenly you know how the Revo controller will fit in your hand. The design isnt going to be exactly like your DVD remote, the design could be increibly different, making a more comfortable design for the hand since it is going to be in the hand a helluva lot more than the DVD player remote.

oh come on, even people that are obsessed with nintendo know thats not true.

1.One problem Nintendo has is that the 3rd parties are not supporting Nintendo. I don't know why. Nintendo just has a lack of 3rd party companies making games for them. 3rd party game makers are the ones who singlehandedly are digging an early grave for Nintendo.

2.nintendo is being deemed "kiddie"

3.more people own playstation 2 than any other console, so what are you talking about?

if you wanna see sales comparisons for yourself then here...

click here for sales


September NPD Hardware Sales

PS2 = 268,000
GBA = 185,000 (approx)
DS = 164,000 (approx)
PSP = 151,000 (approx)
Xbox = 124,000
GCN = 108,000

October NPD Hardware Sales

PS2 = 252,000
GBA = 208,000 (approx)
DS = 136,000 (approx)
PSP = 131,000(approx)
Xbox = 110,000
GCN = 102,000

November NPD Hardware Sales

Game Boy Advance 892,438
PlayStation 2 546,096
Nintendo DS 381,619
PlayStation Portable 359,772
Xbox 360 332,121
GameCube 278,284
Xbox 191,320

if you look at this chart i think you can clearly see who the winner is and whos in second and 3rd.

It looks like Nintendo is completely obliterating the competition in total hardware sales.

I highly dought Apple would do something of such large proportions. Since the Game Cube Nintendo has yet to show the business world its true potential that it had at one time. It will never be able to gain it back ether. Apple has too much to loose in this case, all that they have for them is the iPod. Which if the iPod fails Apple will need a new gimmick to hit apple users. And well the gaming market is not it, they fail at it in the Computer aspect, and they don't need to buy Nintendo to figure out that they would fail at the consul business too. Look at the so called "Revolution", it does not revolutionize the market as Nintendo is selling it. It uses ago old technology, I mean the controller is a remote basically, and dear lord - if I want to add a joy stick I have to plug it into the controller. Nintendo has fallen into the cracks, they are no competition nor will they ever revolutionize the market as they think they will. On the other hand, I would not put it past the idiot Steve Jobbs to do something so stupid. The only reason Apple has not reached its full potential is because of that dumb a** peace of s*i*.

dude you obviously didnt look at the link...

You obviously aren't adding right.

there is not ONE month where gamecube is beating playstation 2

i'm sorry...

then the gba and the ds, those aren't made by nintendo?

and they sure do count.


medic- don't you think a console based on tried and true technology will do better than a console that's using new technology that developers are less familiar with?

you didn't read my post did you?

i wanted to exclude GBA and DS, considering they arent consoles....me and thunder were arguing about top console. not about every product in general.... but i left them in there to show that thats about the only thing nintendo is beating them in... but not by much

That is one excellent point. The PS3's tech specs are cool, at least to a computer nerd such as myself--but the thing is a bitch to program on. A dual-threaded CPU with seven--seven!--synergistic processing elements is going to be hard for many game developers to write software for. Games traditionally are single-threaded programs; writing multithreaded threadsafe code, especially for a system with a two-threaded core and seven SPE's, is not going to be easy for many game developers. I recently read an article that stated a lot of developers are at least reluctant to develop for the PS3 because it's going to take much more work than a normal game just to write the basic engine.

Not by much? The GBA has vastly insuperior hardware to the PSP, yet look at the November charts. I think there was one point in time (I believe it was after the release of Jump Superstars and Nintendogs) where the DS outsold every other gaming hardware combined (handhelds AND consoles).

Another interesting fact: Sony gives numbers on how many products they ship, not how many were sold. Let's not forget that some people bought more than one PS2.

Nintendo made the more profit off of hardware sales than Sony and Microsoft did (I believe they made more than Sony and Microsoft combined, since Microsoft is actually in the red with the Xbox).



This was the issue with the PS2 and the emotion engine. Sony said something like it could render Toy Story real time, yet initial graphic quality was pretty much even (if not worse) than what the Dreamcast could put out. I heard that some early games will not use all of the SPE's (same is true for the Xbox 360, only two of the three cores are in use for some games, don't know about the Revolution yet).

This can only mean fewer multiplatform games.

Is the Revolution multi-threaded?

Not much is known about Broadway yet, but it's rumored to be dual core, with twice as much power as Gamecube's processor.

Actually, if you read my statements, I said Nintendo was second in consoles, and first in hardware. Which is obviously proven there in your listing.

Hell the DS is ruling Japan right now, outselling everything under the sun.

im hearing about the rev right now on tv and it said it was about 3 times more powerful.

but isnt like, the xbox 360 "supposedly" 8 times as powerful as the xbox?(they just said that too on the show im watching, and asked how it would stand up graphic wise to the ps3 and 360)
well i havent seen it happen yet, but who knows, the games havent exactly pushed the 360 at all.



well the thing is with the ps2, one could argue that it came out earlier, dreamcast came out sep 9th 1999 right? then ps2 came out quickly after in 2000. while xbox and game cube came out late 2001. if they all came out at the same time, then i think i would be alot harder on em'.

i own both dreamcast and ps2, and ps2 is ahead of dreamcast graphics wise, they are not even that close....play soul caliber on dreamcast and then on Ps2, you will notice a bigger difference than you think. or to find a great difference is by playing nba 2k2 and then playing nba 2k3 on ps2. a big way i could recognize the difference to my self is that i could notice these things: the players that were on the court in dreamcast look like the players that were on the bench in ps2. and ps2's character models off the bench look like an upgraded version. and resident evil on ps2 looks much better than nemises on dreamcast. and when i plug my dreamcast in to play one of my all time favorite games, shenmue. when the opening sequence comes on i always think to myself "haha i remember when i thought these graphics were AMAZING"

what makes you so sure that people didnt buy more than one gamecube?

again me and thunder were talking game cube, xbox and ps2. not nintendo corporation vs. playstation and xbox.

but let me give some reasons why I think nintendo DS might be doing better than PSP, realistically.

1.the majority of handheld consumers are children.

2. believe it or not nintendo tends to appeal to young children....

3. the games on DS interest children more so than PSP would, PSP tends to attract a bit of an older audience.

4. PSP has discs, Discs + children= trouble

5. the PSP can be intimidating to a younger audience.

6. DS came first...

now i own both of these handhelds, but however innovative DS may be doesnt mean i like it any more than my PSP...

Whoa whoa, Evan, are you sure? I honestly think the handhelds are more for the teenage - young adult group.

Nintendo stuff usually appeals too all audiences.

Kevin! yay lets argue

when i say children i dont mean like 6 year olds lol.

the average consumer for a handheld is more from the age of 8-13 at least more so than teens and adults. especially for nintendo products.



mario, donkey kong, nintendogs,and pokemon does usually tend to appeal to children... at least more so than adults. notice i said DS games. so i dont mean necessarily nintendo in general, though they do appeal more to children than playstation would.

I hope this isn't G4.



Gamecubes are less prone to breaking. They don't have DVD drives, it was a clamshell drive as well. Up until recently, there were no modchips for the gamecube. Countless PS2's broke as a result of failed mod attempts (even more failed simply because of the quality of hardware). I know people that bought the PS2, had it break, then bought the slim PS2.



Evidence?



The top selling games for DS in Japan appealed to a wide range of ages. Nintendogs for kids, Jump Superstars for teens and Brain Training for adults.

What? What the hell does that have to do with anything? You mean, if they were made around the same time, the graphics would be similar? Yeah, they might have been, but it also depends on the hardware quality. Xbox and gamecube came out nearly the same time, but xbox has better graphics.



Wow, that has nothing to do with Kyro's last comment either. He's saying that they don't know how many ps2's were bought. That people were also buying 2.

With people buying 2 GC's doesn't matter. Cause Nintendo keeps track of all the consoles that were sold.


You need to get your freaking facts together. What the hell are you talking about. nintendo, ps2, xbox. Nintendo is a company, xbox and ps2 are consoles.



1.Maybe. Not in Japan.
2.Maybe here, not in Japan.
3.Oh yeah, Resident Evil is definitley marketed towards 8 year olds.
4.PSP uses UMD. Which aren't disks. Technically, they are disks, in like a sort of protective like shells. But, the shells also add more storage capacity. Like the Blu-Ray disks. With the actual disk itself, its 25-50 gigs. But the Case adds a couple more gigs, or something like that. The disk itself could be like, 40-45. So the case would add 5 gigs.
5.It is not. When Iw as younger, I was as tech savvy as I am today> I would definitley have picked a PSP over a DS.
6.Maybe.

lmao. nah, spike tv

Im assuming you also watch the VGAs.

i didnt see it yet, let me guess, god of war won everything? haha

UMD's are an optical disc. They each hold 1.8 GB of data.

Yes actually I do, if I want a peace of s*** I would own a Game Cube. To win any market, you have to be "up on" the new technology so it appeals to idiots that do not know what there talking about. Like people who buy eMachines just because they have nice specs. In the case of gaming, look at how far PC games have evolved over the years. Sim City, the first one took up a grand total of 300 megs of space. Sim City 4 now takes up 1.14 gigs, the ideals of the Gaming industry is to the newest technology. Its like saying, I'll buy a Intel Celeron because it is based on old single processor technology, or I will take the change and spend a little more money and get the Dual core Pentium Extreme, they may not be familiar technologies, but the bottom line is..... Innovation Sells.

Isn't the PS2 weaker than the Gamecube?

Now, just because something is using more resources, does it mean it's using it effectively?

You say the latest and greatest technology (Xbox 360 and PS3) is the key to winning the market, then in the last sentence, you say innovation (Revolution) sells.

Im sorry but with more GBAs out there than PS2s I find it hard to believe that theyre all in the hands of kids.

The average gamer is 30 years old, and only 35% of gamers are under 18.

If we assume that even just the GBA, not factoring in the DS, is geared towards kids, the numbers dont add up.

If apple does buy Nintendo [though I think unlikely] it'd probably be to compete with Microsoft. Microsoft entered the gaming world, maybe apple would.

Maybe?

Here's an interesting question: if Apple bought Nintendo and made a gaming machine, would it be based on the Mac OS, or whatever OS Nintendo's systems are based on?

Unless apple is stupid, they 'd almost positively let Nintendo do whatever they want. Nintendo knows gaming, Apple doesn't. The only thing I can see apple doing is forcing Nintendo to use the consoles as a vehicle to distribute content.

But it probably won't happen.

Yeah, I'm still inclined to believe that there is little to no truth to the rumor. The console gaming market is already saturated with the Xbox, PlayStation, and Nintendo console. It'd be a hard business to break into. Besides that, there isn't much profit to be had on the consoles themselves--everybody but Nintendo takes a huge loss on the hardware--the real money is made in the games.

That being said, if anyone would have the innovative attitude to break into a saturated market and be successful, my money would be on Apple. But I doubt it's a market they're interested in, considering they don't even pay much attention to gaming on the Macintosh.

i don't see them getting rid of the nintendo trademark.

mayhaps apple would buy them, but they wouldn't do much except make it so that nintendo things are compatible with apple things.

like, stick an ipod dock in the revoltuion or something.

^ I don't really know, because the X-Box: 360 can connect to the iRiver H10.