I have recently found out that if the Nintendo Revolution fails, Apple is planning to buy Nintendo and create their own console, with Apple Graphics Technology.

Found out from where?

i...dont...really....know what to think of this. =/

I work at the Electronics Department in Target, and one of my team members has a friend who works with Apple.

Intriguing, but I find it hard to believe. The gaming market is already crowded; what would Apple have to gain by branching into it. Furthermore, they tried to enter the console market once before. Ever hear of the Apple Pippin? No? That's because it was a dismal failure.

Well in this case they're going to have their own technology, plus Nintendo's technology. I don't know what's really going to happen, but I guess we'll just have to wait and see.

Off topic but...

So, you're working with those iPods I presume?

cough mp3 thread cough.

Yes I work with iPods, although I presuade people to get iRivers since that's the only ones we have that's better than the iPod.

well, nintendo and apple do seem a bit similar at this point.

so as to why i hate apple and love nintendo...

mayhaps it's because nintendo seems more focused on satisfying a group of consumers, and assumes the money will flow from there. and apple's focused of making the money flow.

I think both of their primary focuses are on making the money flow. That's what a corporation is all about, after all.

Well you have to focus on your consumers in order to make your money flow.

Right, which means every company is focused on satisfying its consumers, with the goal of making money.

You have a friend who works at Apple.

Doing what? Sorting mail?

Unless theyre up there with the big wigs theyre not gonna know jack, and I wouldnt listen to everything people tell you.

Incase we all didnt know, Nintendo is the most profitible gaming company out of the big 3, and even if the Revo fails, the Gameboy/DS will grab all the cash. The GBA has sold more than the PS2 in the US, its not as if Nintendo is gonna bail.

but apple doesn't care about satisfying a certain consumer group. they want to satisfy as many consumers as they can, but could care less what group they are.

And yet is so untrue.

Many companies cut back on productions costs by cutting corners and defecting products, thusly not really aiming to satisfy consumers but to just plain make money. They want to put that product in your shopping bag whether or not you want it, and whether or not its the best product for you.

Then why does Apple not market its products to a greater segment of the consumer population?

If I were you, I wouldn't compare GBA to PS2. Especially, since GBA is like now, what, HALF the price of a PS2? Way more affordable. I bet half of the people who bought GBA thought "wow this handheld is awesome since it's only $100 and now it's only $79.99!" I mean, PS2 is an actual system, versus Game Boy Advance, which is a handheld. Perhaps you should compare GC and PS2?

Although I may sound biased, GBDS only seems to rake in more attention due to the various games it supports. The PSP sold A LOT, but there aren't that many games for it. Even my bf, who loves his PSP, doesn't even play it that much anymore since he's bored of the games. There just aren't that many good games for it. Rather, GBDS is going strong in releasing popular titles or games that were popular in the past. OMG ZOOKEEPER ON DS. But I loathe the GameBoy DS system in general.. yay PSP. I'll just try to find a way to get zookeeper on psp lol


As for apple, I think it's doing wonderful business with computers in general, since the my school supports macintosh (not the people, but the school in general). Also, it's doing well in iPods and other things, so hey you never know.

My point wasnt to compare the systems, my point was showing that despite the themed death of Nintendo via the Revo, the Big N has a big foothold in the industry with the handheld systems, and if the Revo fails, theyll have something to fall back on.

And the DS is not a Gameboy, just to make that clear.

And whether or not the DS has good games is a matter of opinion, therere plenty of games Id like to get right now. But yeah.

you mean, put ads in public and on popular TV channels instead of tech magazines?

It doesn't matter what they actually do in the company, rumors from the big guys usual end up to the smaller people eventually.

I do agree though, Nintendo's handheld systems are doing way better than the consoles.

Have you ever played Whisper Down the Lane?

Yeah.

PS: If it did leak like this, the internet news would probably have picked it up before you did.

Oh, sure, maybe the iPod is marketed to a large segment, although that's debateable.

Still, I don't see your reasoning on why one company is bad because it targets a wide swath of consumers, and another is good because it targets a slightly smaller swath--although I would argue that Nintendo's target group--the average gamer and the family--is hardly a small segment of the consumer population. But even assuming it is, I don't see why one tactic is good and one tactic is bad. In the end, both companies in this example are vying for one thing: making money. That consists of pleasing the consumer to an extent, or at least giving them the illusioned of being pleased. I don't see one as benevolent and one as malevolent. I see them both as trying to make a few bucks.

Where is kyro.
And I do have to agree with thunder.
THe big N ain't gonna go down. Even if the revolution fails them, GBA/DS sails are trhough the roof right now. They sell more units then some consoles, and are dominating the handheld market. Plus besides the facts that nintendo owns the rights to certain licences. Such as characters and franchines. Were talking Pokemon, Mario and Donkey kong and such. Do you know how much money, Pokemon cards, toys, videos/dvds, apparel, accessories get sold and made?

Lets face it, the big N is here to stay. Even if the Rev does fail, which it may or not, it will still be on it's own 2 feet.

people forget how much of a strong foothold nintendo has in Japan. As long as it's handhelds are racking up the dough and it's consoles stay competitive, nintendo is staying on the map.

They don't even need the consoles to stay competitive.

1- apple has monopolized the NAND flash memory market. very big corporation screwing over the consumer, if apple raised the price of it's players.

2- apple's customer service is focused on saving money, not fixing problems.

3. appple's proprietary nature. i don't like sony either.

(there is, of course, no problems of compatablility with consoles, which is much like apple's approach to PCs.)

Proprietary nature? You don't like Apple's, yet you like Nintendo, who used a proprietary disc format in the GameCube? And you don't like Sony, who uses open standards and technologies in the PS3? That doesn't make any sense.

yea... except there are no standards for game consoles...

Yes, there are. The PS3 uses Linux, as well as OpenGL, COLLADA, OpenMAX, and OpenVG, all of which are open standards. Furthermore, Apple uses open standards: OpenGL is one major one, and the entire core of OS X is an open source project. Apple also uses industry standard hardware. Nintendo is not known for using open standards. Thus, I don't see how you justify a dislike of Apple and Sony, but an affinity for Nintendo, based on the companies' use of open standards and/or open technologies.

I think it's because Nintendo doesn't try to push their format in order to make it the standard. Nintendo does it so people won't pirate their games. Sony on the other hand, has tried to do in the past with BETAMAX, MD and ATRAC3. Now they're doing it with UMD and BD-ROM, using their game hardware as a trojan horse.

yea. it's more of nintendo's reasons, or perceived reasons.

they do do much of the smae things, however, i don't see it as an attempt to gain more money.

nintendo's proprietary nature isn't exploited for money, as with sony or apple.

^ From what I have seen with Nintendo, I agree with you, their aim is more to entertain their customers, most of their games aren't really aimed towards high graphics money typish games, but rather fun games that everyone can enjoy.

Oh, undoubtedly, a company leverages proprietary technologies in order to make a buck. Apple certain does it so they can keep the premiums on hardware high. Sony does it to leverage their own technologies. But you really think Nintendo does it because they have the consumers' best interests at heart? No, I don't think so. There's one reason why Nintendo used proprietary disc technology in the GameCube, and that was to prevent piracy--which protected their bottom line, not the interests of the consumer. It would be best for the consumer to use open standards--in fact, a major reason some developers were reluctant to release games for the GameCube was because the discs were proprietary and therefore more expensive to make.

I can see the argument that "it is best for the consumer" in Nintendo's decision to make the N64 cartridge based: it meant that the Nintendo 64 did not require memory cards, and load times were faster. But the GameCube decision? No, that was in an attempt to secure profits for Nintendo.

Point? I think there's more to brand affinity than a simple accusation that one company is trying harder to secure a profit.

i know there's a reason i don't like apple or sony and i like nintendo. mayhaps it's because the latter lacks the smell of corporatism. i'm not too sure.

EDIT: i think i've got it.

nintendo doesn't appear intrested in anything but gaming.

sony appears to want to promote thier proprietary formats with everything they do. half the purpose of the ps3 is to promote blu-ray. Sony's not just concentrated on gaming- they want to make every electronic you buy.

apple seems to be getting similar aspirations with thier branching into the mp3 player field and itunes. if they buy nintendo, it's further proof of thier expansionism.

what? i dont find nintendo's games more fun...at all. Sony's games are the main reason why it is number one right now. gamecube also had better graphics than ps2 also. anyone who doesnt think nintendo doesnt care about business is naive. nintendo would be stupid not to.
watch "icons" on G4 about nintendo, they care more about business then you may think. everthing they did revolved around how they can get people to buy their product. just like any company.

everything nintendo does is to get you to buy nintendo gaming systems.

everything sonydoes is to get you to buy sony gaming systems, sony blu-ray players, sony movies, sony TVs, sony computers, etc.

see the difference?

....no, sony doesnt just make consoles. they make alot of electronics they've been making other electronics before they made playstation, so yeah they will try to get you to buy their product just like mitsubushi or toshiba or samsung. nintendo doesnt make anything else, but games.

Sony makes games? I thought they just paid companies not to make games for other systems...

And who said Nintendo doesn't care about business? How else would they be making huge profits?

And LOL @ watching G4. You might as well watch Spike TV for gaming.



uhhh, did you read what he said? See below:

okay ill admit i read that wrong, i didnt see "gaming"

but i didnt need a sony TV to play ps2, and they arent forcing you to buy one for ps3... if nintendo made TV's and all that other crap they'd do the same thing, its just business.

"play you Sony PS3 on a sony HG TV for best effect!"

but they arent saying you have to..... i wont. they are just doing what any business does, if nintendo made tv's or HD tv's and laptops and cd players and many other electronics you dont think they'd try to get you to buy it too? of course they would. just like if nintendo wants you to get their DS or gameboy carrying case.

Of course every business is a business and youre going to get good and bad points out of that.

But Nintendo is far less aggresive about it than Sony, and shoves it alot less in your face. You dont have to get a Nintendo brand case, but its probably the best one youre going to find. Why? because Nintendo makes quality products, so even if they do want you to buy it, theres a damned good reason.

^ Well you can say the same thing about Sony, if you're going to get a new controller or a new stand, wouldn't you rather get the official Sony Playstation ones than the Mad Catz ones?

Didnt Mad Catz go out of business? Or get bought by someone?

Anyway, in terms of a controller, probably, mostly because Im used to the shapes.

But when it comes to TVs, cameras, laptops, etc, I wouldnt.

^ But wouldn't compliances bought by a company work best with the compliance bought from the same company? Not just controllers, let's say shampoo, wouldn't Herbal Essences Shampoo work best with Herbal Essences Conditioner?

eh, sorry but, you kinda missed my point. let me explain, i was just using the carying case as an example, far less of a priority than an HD television would be. nintendo doesnt make any other type of electronics that doesnt pertain to gaming,and usually those things arent really electronics. Sony on the other hand makes many many things, TV's, laptops, VCR's, DVD players, CD players, home theatres,movies, and basically anythng else you'll find under the electronics category. they'e been making these things long before they've been in the gaming industry. and all these things fall into the same category of computer entertainment systems. which is the reason why you might find them trying to sell you their products harder, because they correllate with their fellow electronic device. i guarentee you if samsung suddenly came out with a video game system they'd do the same thing.

microsoft cant do this because their software only pertains to computers.

and nintendo cant do this because they arent an electronics corporation, only in the video game industry. so saying their stuff is better quality is an extremely bad comparison. what, are you comparing.... their carying case? so you cant really say nintendo is far less agressive, when you dont really know what they'd do if they were actually in the electronics industry. but seeing as what every big business has to do to thrive and survive, nintendo would do the same thing.... and they'd be smart to do so.

...and what does it matter as long as they arent forcing you to buy it?

I can say it because of this.

They dont peddle their crappy products on to their consumers like trying to put white back on rice.

They are less aggressive with what products they DO have, just because they dont have TVs and laptops to sell doesnt mean they dont have products. Shirts, toys, collectibles, videos, movies, trading cards, TV shows, DVDs, etc etc etc.

damn you quoted to early to see this


and saying their stuff is crappy is your opinion. you got mad at me about saying the controller will be uncomfortable (though i made my intro saying i THINK this is a stupid idea), yet you can say sony has crappy products. obviously this cant be that true because they arent known for this... playstation and ps2 arent crappy....they are the best reviewed systems.....and named king of the consoles for our current generation.

i dont think any toy company is as agressive as a electronics company btw. and how agressive can they be with a Tv show? "WATCH IT NOW!" and how long has it been since they had a TV show?

nintendo DVD's? never heard of it.

i dont feel like sony is being agressive towards me....
so your feelings and mine arent mutual.

sony smells of corporatism, that's why.

...lol, now you guys are just being silly. you sounded like a paranoid schitzofrinic