so, if someone is ip banned, obviously they did something wrong and arent wanted around here for a while. so, if thats the case, why can they just get on another computer and keep posting? if you wanted them gone, then they shouldnt be here. so, what im trying to say is, shouldnt their account be suspended as well to ensure they dont come back until their time is up? there have been members that have been ip banned coming back because they can just get on another computer with a different ip and continue with their posting.

...You mean they don't do that already? *totally clueless*

In that case, I say we should, because that is just common sense really...

proxy + new usernames whenever = easily bypassed

i mean all the people from dynasty that were banned are now coming back, even though they are still ip banned.

and james, i know what you are talking about...but usually you can tell if its someone. if they wanted to go through the much trouble, theyd come back, do the same thing and still get banned.

but even if you can tell it is someone... how does that help if they change IPs regularly?

i guess its better than nothing...but i was talking about it with nicki and she some what agreed.

i bet theyll stop going through all the trouble to make new accounts after they get banned a couple of times.

I know what you meant by it, but I thought than when they ip banned, they also suspended the account. I didn't know they didn't do that already. And why can't you just ip ban them again too? Oh wait...nevermind, that could cause problems with other members, like if I had someone who was ip banned at my house, and then they got me ip banned too. Did that make sense?

Well, I thought his account was suspended too, and yet he's using it

yes. the point is, all the people that were caught spamming the forums from dynasty were ip banned, but if they were on, say a school computer, they could get back on their account and post away.

their account does get suspended, just their ip.

I see no reason why I shouldn't suspend Steven's account for like forever. All he's done is spam and cause trouble since he came back- which he shouldn't have been able to do to begin with

can you do sandy too? jus tbecause i've let my internet temper run away with me and she is repulsive?

^ I dont think she is deserving of an ip ban. Just because you have a problem with her doesnt mean she needs to get banned.

Which Sandy? takingbacksandy or sandy_lumpy_shore? Just because you don't like her, that doesn't mean you should ban her. I see no reason to, anyhow.

Sandy won't get an IP ban just because you had an argument with her. You know better, James.

Edit\\
Ahh, well. Looks like I'm a bit late. Sorry.

Just delete their account and Ip and hope for the best for all we know there could be one "master" trouble maker who changes to be those people who mees up the site. If they are that passionate in causing crap then all the power to them
and remember if that dosnt work just tell them this and spam there pm with this message.

go to hell you sick bastards ands stop breaking this great site.

He wasn't serious. I desperately want to warn her, though

deep breathe speople. i dont actually think sandy will be banned,

chillax

Chillax, that's a funny word...and you guys didn't realize he was joking? [/late]

^ Nope, obviously......

"That's the joke, Ted."

I think he was being sarcastic. (EDIT: Jeez, you guys are too quick for me.)

So when you give an IP ban, you are or aren't giving account bans as well? I didn't catch whether or not you were doing that. IP bans are good if the person has a definite IP address, but, for instance, dial-up users who change IP addresses every time they connect won't be effected too much if you don't ban their account as well.

Like racoons>you said though, people can always just make new accounts and get on different computers and continue to spam. I guess it's all just down to which group is more persistant than the other. Hopefully the violators don't ruin it for others who may be connecting from a community computer.

-Evan

You didn't realize that they all were joking about not joking about taking him seriously?

What?^

is that a joke?

^ Exactly...why we didnt know you whether you were joking or not. Nice Michael, nice......

kiera... i think you think i understand less than i actually do...

you've missed a joke again

^ I was referring to Michael's comment separetely from my first comment.

yes...?

Are we voting on something?

I don't know, but whatever it is, I'm opposed!

no. i think this turned into a complicated tangle involving the word joke.

Yeah...I'm lost, really.


BACK TO THE TOPIC>>>

So this topic is about if we should suspend accounts when IP suspension/bans are in place?

okay, here's what's about.

people who have been ip banned are able to use their accounts on different computers meaning they could just go to a friends house everyday or use a different comp in their house and still be allowed to post. they are ip banned for a reason...so theyre not here, but ip banning doesnt seem to suspend their account. so i proposed their account be suspended to since they dont seem to be wanted for doing something wrong.

Yep. I think that's the only way to get rid of them.
We cannot detect everything that well.

hmm. heres an idea that came out of the drama

if a banned or suspended member creates a new account to post (eg steven), why SHOULDNT a mod just delete their posts? i mean, obviously not hunt them down, but as and where they are seen.

the posts shouldnt be there anyway. so why leave them there?

Most mods arent willing to delete post unless in extreme cases, member bashing, excessive cursing, etc. We dont have time to follow a member around and delete every last one of their posts.

^
which i didnt suggest you should do, and so isnt relevant as a response

exactly... they wont delete posts unless rules are being broken. which is the case when a member creates a new account to circumvent a suspension

^ No need to be snappy James, that how I am interepted what you wrote, so calm down.

I don't think that's what he was getting at. More that they an be deleted, since they're not legal anyway. If you happen to see a post that needs to be deleted for any reason, it's really not that hard to delete it

Then ban/suspend the newly created account as well.......

^

which steven has proven is ineffective and a waste of authority

and as i specifically SAID that you would hunt down their posts, i assumed it wouldnt be interpretted as exactly the opposite

^Oh ummm gee, my bad.....

Well we can only do so much, if a member wants to be persistent in making new accounts, mods will have to persistent in suspending them, I suppose.

Well, I did suspend basick again. But look what that accomplished. He's still posting, causing trouble, and it caused me to do things I wouldn't normally do to avoid his drama (which completely and totally backfired).

Well, so, can we be persistant in suspending them? I'd be more than happy to, but everyone else seemed a bit wishy-washy and I didn't want to do anything that others would object to, yet everytime I tried to bring it up, no one really went for it and instsited second chances were deserved. I know my judgement isn't the most reliable right now, but honestly, it's pretty good. I was right all along on the whole Jorge affair, no? And everything that happens only shows me that I'm right on this one too.

but, if suspending is proven to be ineffective against removing them from the board, why shouldnt this measure be introduced as well?

Who is everyone, Nicki? The admins? The mods? . If it really bother you that much you could have made a seperate thread (backstage) on the matter so we all could have given you feedback on the matter. If I was in your situation, that would have been the first thing I would have done. I mean how can work as a team and come to an agreement on something when someone wont bring forth the issue for serious dicussion amongst all of us. And I believe if we (all the mods) had known all the of the situation going on with Steven before "that drama" started we would have known how to deal with him and the situation before it esculated. But we had no dicussion on it until the drama exploded and by then the damage had been done.

Actually, that's where my being a procrastinator comes in. I meant to start a topic,, I just never knew how to address it. However, there were multiple mini Steven discussions backstage, and the outcome of all of them was basically that he deserves a second chance and when I disagreed, I was being too judgemental.

why can't you IP ban his proxy?

kiera, i know for a fact (back in my snooping days, but lets move on from that swiftly) that that issue HAS been addressed backstage before. before you were modded... it didnt help.

and justin, please tell them how so they can just get rid of him

I never said the issue hasnt been addressed. But recently, well before "that drama", the problem with Steven wasnt seriously dicussed...just casually brought up and dismissed.

well then, the mods should have resolved it the first time. if it has been discussed since you became a mod as well, then thats twice it has just been left to fade.

sometimes, just acting is more effective than wasting tim ein a discussion which hostory suggests wont lead to a resolution