i dunno, but isn't a proxy just redirection through another IP?

therefore, he still should have an IP adress, just not his. block that and he's forced to find a new proxy.

and there are only so many free proxies.

x2 I agree. Which is why I said:


Casually bringing things up lessens the issues importance unless its brought out to the forefront for serious dicussion. This issue with Steven should have been resolved a long time ago and believe me there is serious dicussion going on about that whole issue currently. I dont think this entire thread should be devoted to Steven and "that drama". Lets just handle the issue at hand, how to go about this ip banning and suspension situation and how to deal with those members that try to get around it. (no, not just Steven, because he isnt the only one who has done it)

ban thier new account and IP address.

^ Yup, something I mentioned earlier

*shrugs*

steven is the best example, so i used him. its nothing personal.

i still dont see why mods shouldnt delete the posts of those who are circumventing their suspensions, IF THEY COME ACROSS THEM IN THE COURSE OF OTHER DUTIES.

and yes, new accounts should be suspended/banned as a matter of principle

So delete spam convos that happen in threads as well? Theyre against the rules too, especially now that we have that topic in forum games.

I do see what you're saying, however, for mods unless a post warrants deletion (under extreme circumstances) they are best keep the way they are. If a member who has been suspended/banned decides he/she wants to make another account to post, instead deleting all the posts he/she makes, just resuspend/ban that persons new account, end of that. They wont be able to make many posts to begin with if they stopped as soon as they are detected. If that person wants to be persistant in keeping up the behavior all mods will have to agree in being persistent keeping these people off the forum.

i do agree that posts should only be deleted in very extreme cases... i jus thappen to view a person avoiding their suspension as just such an extreme case.

we're endanger of just going around in circles here...

all those who think that posts known to have been made by a person circumventing suspension should be deleted, when they are seen by a moderator, in addition to the suspension/banning of the account used to make the posts, say aye. all those opposed, say nay

AYE

AYE

Aye

On second that...nah

Nay--I fully support banning the account, but I am against deleting the posts, because a) I don't like the idea of deleting posts, and b) it leaves no record of the user's infraction.

^true...true..

I think that may have been what I trying to get at earlier but didnt word it correctly...

Changing aye to nay.

I still support simply resuspending the suspended/banned member upon detection but against deletion of posts.

yeah, i forgot to vote.

aye

Forget the deletion of posts. How about their posts have to be viewd by a moderator first? Or their posting abilities are completely removed?
(For a certain given amount of time, that is.)

Ok, forget deletion, but I don't think that's the best idea either. If you're going to do that, you may as well ban them

Agreed.

I fully agree with banning and what not but deleting posts is like erasing any proof of what caused the ban.

all in favor of simply banning the account and new IP adress of people previously IP banned, say "aye to justin's proposal" (or "nay to justin's proposal" if you want to say nay)

AYE

aye

aye to justin's proposal ;]

I'm assuming this goes for resuspension of ones account as well, if so then

Aye....I like this proposal (Justin's) better =]

i like the idea of deleting someones post if they are IP banned and come back one way or another

AYE

^ You can't vote if you're not on the committee, sorry.

what are we half way through voting for?

we started on justin's before a final decison had been made on the first option...

james, just repropose your initial statement and well revote. im not going back through and seeing how everyone voted.

let's do this, it seems the easiest:


copy and paste the following list and put AYE or NAY besides each measure.



banning of IP banned user's account

banning of returned IP banned user's new account.

banning of returned IP banned user's new IP adress

allowing mods to delete posts of returned IP banned users, to be used sparsely

mandating mods to delete all posts of returned IP banned users.

calling IP banned users fuzzy monkeys.

remember, only committee members can vote. if you do not have mod powers in this forum, you are not a committee member.

banning of IP banned user's account Aye

banning of returned IP banned user's new account. Aye

banning of returned IP banned user's new IP adress Aye

allowing mods to delete posts of returned IP banned users, to be used sparsely Nay

mandating mods to delete all posts of returned IP banned users. Nay

calling IP banned users fuzzy monkeys. Nay

banning of IP banned user's account Aye

banning of returned IP banned user's new account. Aye

banning of returned IP banned user's new IP adress Aye

allowing mods to delete posts of returned IP banned users, to be used sparsely nay

mandating mods to delete all posts of returned IP banned users. aye

calling IP banned users fuzzy monkeys. sure, why not

banning of IP banned user's account aye

banning of returned IP banned user's new account. aye

banning of returned IP banned user's new IP adress aye

allowing mods to delete posts of returned IP banned users, to be used sparsely nay
mandating mods to delete all posts of returned IP banned users. nay

calling IP banned users fuzzy monkeys. nay

banning of IP banned user's account Aye

banning of returned IP banned user's new account. Aye

banning of returned IP banned user's new IP adress Aye[b]

allowing mods to delete posts of returned IP banned users, to be used sparsely [b]Aye

mandating mods to delete all posts of returned IP banned users. Nay

calling IP banned users fuzzy monkeys. lol. well, considering what else i could call 'em, and the repercussions, Aye

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if the banning of IP things do come into play, it needs to be followed. No more thousand chances for the stevens of the world. again, im NOT trying to make this personal, nor to get him banned now, after the drama is done, but he is the best example... if anyone else has abetter one, please, let me know, because i feel stupid to keep mentioning things, and it's making a bad impression

banning of IP banned user's account AYE

banning of returned IP banned user's new account. AYE

banning of returned IP banned user's new IP adress AYE

allowing mods to delete posts of returned IP banned users, to be used sparsely AYE

mandating mods to delete all posts of returned IP banned users. NAY

calling IP banned users fuzzy monkeys. AYYYYYYYYYYYE

banning of IP banned user's account AYE

banning of returned IP banned user's new account. AYE

banning of returned IP banned user's new IP adress AYE

allowing mods to delete posts of returned IP banned users, to be used sparsely AYE

mandating mods to delete all posts of returned IP banned users. NAY

calling IP banned users fuzzy monkeys. not officially, but mockingly, sure

OK... vote tallies... i think some issues can be removed:

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banning of IP banned user's account passed with 6 ayes to 0 nays

banning of returned IP banned user's new account. passed with 6 ayes to 0 nays

banning of returned IP banned user's new IP adress.passed with 6 ayes to 0 nays


allowing mods to delete posts of returned IP banned users, to be used sparsely still open, with 3 ayes, and 3 nays

mandating mods to delete all posts of returned IP banned users. still open, wth 5 nays to 1 aye

calling IP banned users fuzzy monkeys. still open, with 4 ayes to 2 nays (how amusing)

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that means that sammi, katie, stephen, and rachel need only vote on the last three issues

allowing mods to delete posts of returned IP banned users, to be used sparsely Aye

mandating mods to delete all posts of returned IP banned users. Aye, but if they're suspended right away instead of that, there would be no need...(This means new posts, right? They can keep their old ones..)

calling IP banned users fuzzy monkeys. Aye to the max.

no, it would only apply to posts that had been made after tehy created an account to circumvent their suspension. previous posts would be left in place

and... you cant really vote aye for both of the first two things... they are kinda mutually exclusive... either you maddate mods to delete all the posts they see, or you give them the option to do it, based n their judgement.

it doesnt really bother me the way you voted, but it just seemed kinda silly

allowing mods to delete posts of returned IP banned users, to be used sparsely: Aye-there was a reason they were banned, their posts should not be left in the forum. Most of them are spam or insults anyways.

mandating mods to delete all posts of returned IP banned users. Nay.

calling IP banned users fuzzy monkeys. Of course Aye!

allowing mods to delete posts of returned IP banned users, to be used sparsely - still open, with 5 ayes to 3 nays

mandating mods to delete all posts of returned IP banned users. Rejected, with 6 nays to 2 ayes

calling IP banned users fuzzy monkeys. Passed, with 6 ayes to 2 nays. i love that. we're all so cool.

*****

stephen and katie need only vote on that first one.

and someone update passed bylaws, por favor

Who is Stephen?

james, i have updated the list

since the fuzzy monkey thing passed, did you want it on the list? i added it, but i wasnt sure.

spirited auora guy maybe?

call, not calling ( on the list)

But wait, why don't we just suspend the account off the bat?..

spencer, i dont think we really need to include teh fuzzy monkey thing. mind you... it did pass.

and nicki, stephen = spiritual winged aura. who needs to actually remeber he is on the committee, as i havent seen him in forever. someone pm please, asking him to be more active, or step down. roar.

and sammi, obviously the account will be suspended (i assume you're talking aout ones created to get around suspension), but if the posts they make before they are discovered to be someone who shouldn't be here are offensive, or spammy, or whatever (mods judgement here) they should be deleted. which we are still voting on

Ooooooh I see. Thank you.

allowing mods to delete posts of returned IP banned users, to be used sparsely:

my vote is,

AYE

I don't understand the reasoning of deleting posts of IP-banned users who have returned. Locking the thread is enough; generally, I do not like to encourage removal of posts. Leaving a record is often times a good thing.

Not all posts. Only those where they spam bomb the site or something.

Right? *pokes others*

but aren't those deleted regardless?

We should have guidelines for "sparingly". Sure, if someone spams the site, delete the cruft, but if it's just a normal post, it shouldn't be deleted.