"sparingly" like"Nessicary and proper" should be left open to interpretation.

i don't want this to become the alabama constitution with over 1000 amendments.

I just don't think we should make it a standard practice to delete the posts of IP-banned users.

I think I said this somewhere. Posts shouldn't be deleted, whether or not it is of an IP banned user. Only delete anything as a last resort. Even if that person is spamming, it should be left there. If it's deleted, you're getting rid of evidence and making it seem as if that person didn't actually spam. Yes, no one likes to see/read spam, but if you come across it, warn them, but their posts shouldn't be deleted. Getting into a habit of deleting posts is not good.

I concur. Leaving evidence behind is important. Banning the account and/or IP should help to limit further spam anyway.

well the reason why posts arent deleted like closed topics for instance its to kind of give a guide to people which topics shouldnt be posted and such right?

im just saying . . . an IP banned user can come back on proxies and shouldnt be allowed to communicate on the board so their posts should be deleted . . .

So close topics. If a topic is closed, no one can post in it.

what if they post in a topic made by a regular member? you cant just close something cause an IP banned user posted in it

Suspend that username so that they don't have any posting abilities.

Because that worked so well with Steven.

He wasn't IP banned, despite what everyone was/is saying. Or wasn't rcently anyway. He was suspended, but most of the mods decided that it would be best to give him another chance. Just think about how many chances Seon Ho received...

This time, no, but he had been IP banned before. Roxy definitely did it. Seon Ho was an entirely different case, too. I have still yet to se why he was given another chance, anyway. He got a ton as it was because Roxy liked him.

I don't know what happened with Steven then as I was on vacation but I'm sure you read why Steven was given a second chance backstage.

just for the record, the motion to allow mods to delete possts of banned members has been passed, with 6 ayes to 3 nays.

but anywho.

yes, i think that if a post is spam, or is member bashing, and the person should not have been here in the first place, their inpiut should be removed.

i apologize for this late response. just wanted to mention a couple of things. from the bylaws:



unfortunately, mods DO NOT have the power to ban ips. the only way to ban ips is through the admin control panel, which only admins have access to.

anyway, of greater concern, i think the bylaws committee ought to first spend more time on getting the 'big picture' rather than diving headon into details. for example, instead of concerning yourselves with the excruciating minutia of every single thing that has to do with ip banning, how about addressing what actually will lead to a banning? and how about the rest of the 'policing system' that keeps everyone here at cb behaved? there should be an entire section in the bylaws devoted to the policing system. in it, you should list all the possible corrective actions staff members may take, and when, how, and why they should be enforced.

once again, i ask that you ask yourself (and include them to the bylaws):

-why? why do we need this?
-what? all the whats, ie what abilities do have members have?
-when? when should it take place?
-who? who should be involved?
-where? where should it take place?
-how? how exactly will it take place?



how about to start with, all the bylaws committee atleast take a look at my school's student government's constitution and bylaws.

-constitution
-bylaws

^ Well, I think we're leaving things like that up to the mod's judgement. Not everything has to be put into law. The suspensions/warnings/bannings/etc. are case sensitive. There's no way we can come up with every possible scenario and what it would warrant.

actually, i would argue that's the whole point of having bylaws. what good is it to know what to enforce without knowing why or when to? the bylaws should aim to standardize everything, not only to guide staff members, but so that members know exactly what is acceptable and what is not. leaving it to the staff member's judgement just wont do, at the least, there should be some guidelines in place.

please take a look at my school's bylaws to get an idea what bylaws are supposed to be. and this goes to the rest of the bylaws committee.

but.. every crim ein the world is case sensitive... and society still has laws

No, that's not true. A judge in a courtroom would know what punishments were unreasonable, simply on common sense, but punishments are assigned to each case based on what the case is, what the crime was, how many offenses prior to the crime were committed, etc.

so which are mods, the judges, or the police?

I would think it's a bit of a combination of both, but that's besides the point.

how exactly is that different?

i mean, if someone member bashes, they get a verbal warning. if hey have had a verbal warning, they get warned, etc.

The judge doesn't know what punishment each separate little scenario warrants before he sees the scenario. Punishments are made on the spot based on the scenario. It's up to his judgment, which is why he's a judge.

yes, but he does have t abide by certain guidelines

some crimes dictate that he give a life sentence, others require at least 5 year, or whatnot

I think this subject was debated uhmmm 3-4 month's ago ?lol
Yep, the only way to temp. stop spammers is to disable/suspend/delete the account of that user, there are many other drastic masures but you can't apply them here in a pub site used by trilliardianomiliards of active users. Why temp? because there are 23993294 ways to pass the system and come back:) BUT if you think you can handle and move to harder/drastic masures for those who deserve more then a ban/suspend, more then 80% of the ISP's from US and others have spam@ abuse@ISP (e-mail's) who are WAITING for this kind of reports just to gain some more money from they're customers :) (The most and biggest ISP used for spam is AOL bcuz with that one you only have to logoff and login again to have another IP address AND they work very fast on this kind of reports just to let you know)

have fun,thanx

obviously that was to me. who cares about when it was debated. this is the bylaws...we are making LAWS for cB. obviously you know nothing about that since you havent been here. it doesnt matter if it was debated 3-4 months ago because were talking about it now to add to the laws of cB. besides, you werent even here 3-4 months ago. you joined in august, admiring roxy like non other, and then left for about the past month-month and a half.

the first time it was debated obviously produced nothing.

im seriously getting tired of all the chaos you are trying to stir up. just leave...again.

Huh, who said anything about chaos? and actually ive read the old forums, and another thingy if you dont remember, we both had a discussion about this subject on a related topic, if you forget things easily that doesnt mean i do.
Is "trying to help" meaning "the chaos you are trying to stir up" nowadays? bcuz i dont really understand why you get pissedoff so easy? relax you have enuff space, im not stealing ur spot or anything. Are you a spammer and what ive said touches you?O.o getting confused.

PS:And my math says that from Aug-Dec are almost 5 months.
PS2: You dont have to switch the computer, just the IP Address.

okay, it was brought up in here so the committee could vote on whatever we decide and add it. it has absolutely nothing to do with some old topic because nothing was done about that.

btw, im glad you have good math, but you havent been here that whole time, so you cant say youve been here 5 months. that was my original point.

oh, and by chaos i meant youve been bringing up stuff that happened last month that doesnt even need to be brought up. like the thing with nicki. that was uncalled for especially since its over.

About IP Banning, there is a new php script for message boards and its used on most of the message boards who has more then 500+ members online daily, so what that php script can do? Let's say you IP Ban someone, and he switches his IP Address (Proxy/DIP/etc) and he will try to come back, BUT if he didnt deleted the old cookies, or she doesnt use another browser then the one he used when he got banned, he can't come back because that script recognise his browser (after ID/version/etc i guess) and even he will change his IP Address he will still be unable to use the account, i just findout about this, so i'll need some time to get more info's and i'll tell you the other "options" that script has,
There are many other options like ActiveX plugins and this things, but since they are unstable/insecure its not a good idea to get involved...
I know its not too much but it is usefull anyway,

@Spencer> Then you should use "(Off-topic)* more often, since i wasnt talking about anything related with anything about you just mentioned. If you read a topic and answer in another one its your problem.

what topic did i read and then reply in another? you've been saying things everyone, that was just the one i used as an example.

i know ive said things everyone, back to the subject (of this topic) please.

Stop being so obnoxious. You really are particualrly unpleasant.

Banning is one of the most useless features of a message board, It's entirely too easy to get a new IP Address, since most ISP's use dynamic IP's and he'll be back in a sec or so. I don't really see a real way to keep someone off.
It's actually kind of silly to ban IP addresses anyway; it's not effective. Anybody with even marginal Internet skills is probably able to defeat IP bans through the use of proxies.
As for the banned user's IP address being rotated by their ISP, you could, if you really wanted, ban the entire IP range offered by his/her respective ISP. This wouldn't be terribly effective or worthwhile however.(but its not recomended)
OR if you find a script that catches the MAC Address, that could help a little more, to Ban his MAC Address because he will have to move on another computer or go to Pub Internet Caffe's or so, and like we may know most of the ppl has the pc at home, so his other alternative to join back will be to change his Ethernet/Network Card. But anyway if you change your NIC. The new MAC address on the card will force a new IP Lease to be written, and the DHCP server will issue a new IP.

Heh its so confusing, you can actually ban username/disable username/ ban IP or IP range and even ban his MAC, but if he really wants revange you can't do anything about`it, just wish he will eventually get bored and move on.

I will look forward to find a script for MAC/NIC lookup and Banning, maybe it helps, if its even possible :)

@tweeak: I think the topic is " ip bannings and the measures of" not "who is Claudel or how is he", i dont think any1 cares.

does that mean that you are sarcasticly waiting for one of us to find a way to do it, or that you are going to find a way yourself?

No lol, ive said "if its even possible", because from my knowledge its not possible to get the MAC/NIC from outside of an LAN/Network, only if the computer you are lookingup is in the same network with you, but you know this days lots of things changes and new things appears. I won't be so suprised if i'll findout it is possible nowadays.
BUT if its possible that option will be very usefull.

oh. well.

then why arwe you making suggestions you dont think ar epossible. that seems like something of a wsate of time

seeing as this forum isn't a hacker forum, most members are end users, who would have no freaking idea how to change thier IP.

End users of what ? O.o
It doesnt have to be a "hacker" forum lol, to change your IP, only pushing 1 or 2 buttons solves the problem for most of them who has Dynamic IP Address, DSL/broadband blablabla more then 80% of the US ISP's are using DYN's, its a matter of seconds even lol, and it can be done by a 5 years old kiddo. doh
Ex:On AOL its enuff to logoff and login again to get another IP.
PS:readup

You know, this really doesn't apply to us especially at the moment. So please just discontinue talking about that and add anything helpful the topic at hand.

I don't think that will happen anymore, thank you
c'ya