Chii
Oct 26 2005, 01:32 AM
please try to at least skim through this lenghty article.
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Oct. 20, 2005 — Thirteen-year-old twins Lamb and Lynx Gaede have one album out, another on the way, a music video, and lots of fans.
They may remind you another famous pair of singers, the Olsen Twins, and the girls say they like that. But unlike the Olsens, who built a media empire on their fun-loving, squeaky-clean image, Lamb and Lynx are cultivating a much darker personna. They are white nationalists and use their talents to preach a message of hate.
Known as "Prussian Blue" — a nod to their German heritage and bright blue eyes — the girls from Bakersfield, Calif., have been performing songs about white nationalism before all-white crowds since they were nine.
"We're proud of being white, we want to keep being white," said Lynx. "We want our people to stay white … we don't want to just be, you know, a big muddle. We just want to preserve our race."
Lynx and Lamb have been nurtured on racist beliefs since birth by their mother April. "They need to have the background to understand why certain things are happening," said April, a stay-at-home mom who no longer lives with the twins' father. "I'm going to give them, give them my opinion just like any, any parent would."
April home-schools the girls, teaching them her own unique perspective on everything from current to historical events. In addition, April's father surrounds the family with symbols of his beliefs — specifically the Nazi swastika. It appears on his belt buckle, on the side of his pick-up truck and he's even registered it as his cattle brand with the Bureau of Livestock Identification.
"Because it's provocative," explains April of the cattle brand, "to him he thinks it's important as a symbol of freedom of speech that he can use it as his cattle brand."
Songs like "Sacrifice" — a tribute to Nazi Rudolf Hess, Hitler's deputy Fuhrer — clearly show the effect of the girls' upbringing. The lyrics praise Hess as a "man of peace who wouldn't give up."
"It really breaks my heart to see those two girls spewing out that kind of garbage," said Ted Shaw, civil rights advocate and president of the NAACP's Legal Defense Fund — though Shaw points out that the girls aren't espousing their own opinions but ones they're being taught.
On that point, April Gaede and Ted Shaw apparently agree.
"Well, all children pretty much espouse their parents' attitudes," she said. "We're white nationalists and of course that's a part of our life and I'm going to share that part of my life with my children."
Since they began singing, the girls have become such a force in the white nationalist movement, that David Duke — the former presidential candidate, one-time Ku-Klux-Klan grand wizard and outspoken white supremacist — uses the twins to draw a crowd.
Prussian Blue supporter Erich Gliebe, operator of one of the nation's most notorious hate music labels, Resistance Records, hopes younger performers like Lynx and Lamb will help expand the base of the White Nationalist cause.
"Eleven and 12 years old," he said, "I think that's the perfect age to start grooming kids and instill in them a strong racial identity."
Gliebe, who targets young, mainstream white rockers at music festivals like this past summer's "Ozzfest," says he uses music to get his message out.
But with names like Blue-Eyed Devils and Angry Aryans, these tunes are far more extreme than the ones sung by Lamb and Lynx.
"We give them a CD, we give them something as simple as a stick, they can go to our Web site and see other music and download some of our music," said Gliebe. "To me, that's the best propaganda tool for our youth."
Gliebe says he hopes that as younger racist listeners mature, so will their tastes for harder, angrier music like that of Shawn Sugg of Max Resist.
One of Sugg's songs is a fantasy piece about a possible future racial war that goes: "Let the cities burn, let the streets run red, if you ain't white you'll be dead."
"I'd like to compare it to gangsta rap," explained Sugg, "where they glorify, you know, shooting n****** and pimping whores."
Sugg shrugs off criticism that music like his should not be handed out to schoolyard children, arguing that "it's just music, it's not like you're handing out AK-47s."
Perhaps not, but Shaw says it's the ideas in the music that are dangerous.
"When you talk about people being dead if they're not white," said Shaw, "I don't think there is much question that that is hateful."
Despite the success of Prussian Blue and bands like Max Resist within the White Nationalism movement, most Americans don't accept their racist message.
Like many children across the country, Lamb and Lynx decided to help the victims of Hurricane Katrina — the white ones.
The girls' donations were handed out by a White Nationalist organization who also left a pamphlet promoting their group and beliefs — some of the intended recipients were more than a little displeased.
After a day of trying, the supplies ended up with few takers, dumped at a local shop that sells Confederate memorabilia.
Last month, the girls were scheduled to perform at the local county fair in their hometown. But when some people in the community protested, Prussian Blue was removed from the line-up.
But even before that, April had decided that Bakersfield was not "white" enough, so she sold her home, and hopes that she and the girls can find an all-white community in the Pacific Northwest.
evanbunnell
Oct 26 2005, 02:49 PM
Ridiculous.
Although it's probably more entertaining than Rap.
mzkandi
Oct 26 2005, 03:00 PM
QUOTE(evanbunnell @ Oct 26 2005, 3:49 PM)
Although it's probably more entertaining than Rap.
I would think not.
I really have no real comment on this, I'm not surprised even its quite sad that they cant think for themselves. Then again, they made a good point, the way we grow up in and the environment we are around does heavily influence our beliefs. Interesing article.
mipadi
Oct 26 2005, 03:14 PM
What's even sadder is that there are, apparently, people supporting this sort of music.
tweeak
Oct 26 2005, 03:37 PM
See, if I decide to assasinate these people, it won't be racist
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"They need to have the background to understand why certain things are happening," said April, a stay-at-home mom who no longer lives with the twins' father. "I'm going to give them, give them my opinion just like any, any parent would."
The interesting thing is that she apparently has no idea what's happening. It's one thing to share an opinion, it's another to force children into an unhealthy, counter-productive mindset.
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Songs like "Sacrifice" — a tribute to Nazi Rudolf Hess, Hitler's deputy Fuhrer — clearly show the effect of the girls' upbringing. The lyrics praise Hess as a "man of peace who wouldn't give up."
Is
what way was he a man of peace??! That's not even a valid opinion, that's straight bullshit
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"We're proud of being white, we want to keep being white," said Lynx. "We want our people to stay white … we don't want to just be, you know, a big muddle. We just want to preserve our race."
How do you intend to stop being white? Appreciating other people won't make your skin tone change- not that that should matter anyway
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Prussian Blue supporter Erich Gliebe, operator of one of the nation's most notorious hate music labels, Resistance Records, hopes younger performers like Lynx and Lamb will help expand the base of the White Nationalist cause.
There are notorious hate music labels? Let's go steal their money and give it to Chapter 11, because they obviously need to spend more time in book stores
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"Eleven and 12 years old," he said, "I think that's the perfect age to start grooming kids and instill in them a strong racial identity."
Strong racial identity? Telling them to be as ignorant as possible is not a strong identity, it's essentially brainwashing them from birth
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"To me, that's the best propaganda tool for our youth."
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"I'd like to compare it to gangsta rap," explained Sugg, "where they glorify, you know, shooting n****** and pimping whores."
how the hell is that a
good comparison??? At all? It's not good in any aspect. Plus, have they not noticed that gangster rap is not exactly a "white" thing? Hypocrites!!!!!
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Sugg shrugs off criticism that music like his should not be handed out to schoolyard children, arguing that "it's just music, it's not like you're handing out AK-47s."
Was it not just pointed out that it's a good form of propogandea, and then compared to ganster rap?
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Like many children across the country, Lamb and Lynx decided to help the victims of Hurricane Katrina — the white ones.
Oh yes, Bush is the racist one.
Retrogressive
Oct 26 2005, 04:24 PM
I heard about them in BUST. I guess you could sompare it to some gangsta rap but honestly-- none of the music is worth anything.
Ironically if we tried to stop them wouldn't we be like, music nazis? UGh. I can't stand idiots like that.
ermfermoo
Oct 26 2005, 04:28 PM
Thats horrible, but if you think about it, it will never last, or get popular.
Ever.
PinkTrash
Oct 26 2005, 05:08 PM
Wow. I don't really have much to say, I read a lot of ridiculous stuff. Usually when 12 or 13 year olds come out to the music scene, they're not listened to because people think that a 12 or 13 year old may not have much important messages to give us. Well.. im speechless.
silver-rain
Oct 26 2005, 05:15 PM
Yeah, I heard/read that somewhere. But I think that's really sad and horrible.
EXPLO5ION
Oct 26 2005, 06:02 PM
I saw this on TV a few days of go. When I saw it, I was just.. speechless.
hybrid
Oct 26 2005, 06:04 PM
Yeah. I saw this the other night on ABC. But personally, I don't think it's the girls' fault. I think if they were exposed to other view points when they were younger, they wouldn't be grown up like this... but, hey ... there's all kinds of people in the world.
technicolour
Oct 26 2005, 06:05 PM
Heh. Nothing a bullet can't handle.
But back to non-violence: Sure, they have the freedom of speech but... seriously.
Stupid people need to die.
xcaitlinx
Oct 26 2005, 06:07 PM
haha i find it pathetic yet funny that people are STILL racist. it's the freakin 20th century, please stop acting like it's the 1950s. i always knew that unintelligent people like this still existed, but it makes me chuckle to hear stories about them.
nightmare4taki
Oct 26 2005, 06:12 PM
A desperate outcry for attention, I mean why not. I have better things to do than worry about things such as these, I'm not going to lose any sleep over a racist person. As A matter of fact I'm honored that I'm always on your mind because you're not on mine.
jooleeah
Oct 26 2005, 07:15 PM
This makes me very sad, disappointed, and angered.
Edit:// I went to go look for other links on this, and I found their website. It's amazing how people won't accept change. I even found nazi-supporting websites. How sad.
Retrogressive
Oct 26 2005, 11:57 PM
I think we should not just be addressing the singers, but the fact that they have so many supporters.
evanbunnell
Oct 26 2005, 11:58 PM
Tweaks: They're "preserving" the white race because they feel that eventually down the line it's just going to be one big race of humans because of interracial relationships. I'm not racist by any means, but I don't think I could ever be with a black woman... latina sure, maybe asian... But yeah, things like that.
I see many hate crimes spawning from this.
uLoVeMikeRoch
Oct 27 2005, 12:18 AM
QUOTE(evanbunnell @ Oct 26 2005, 11:58 PM)
Tweaks: They're "preserving" the white race because they feel that eventually down the line it's just going to be one big race of humans because of interracial relationships. I'm not racist by any means, but I don't think I could ever be with a black woman... latina sure, maybe asian... But yeah, things like that.
I see many hate crimes spawning from this.
Too bad that was just a raicst commment you just said.
Also, it isn't better then rap. Unless you like the kind of shittty Nazi pop bullshit that they sing.
evanbunnell
Oct 27 2005, 01:03 AM
It's not racist, it's personal preference. I don't treat them any differently, I just wouldn't date someone of that particular race. It would be on the same plain as someone who doesn't like to date left handed people, or overweight people.
Retrogressive
Oct 27 2005, 01:10 AM
I don't see how your personal prefrence on women you would date would:
1. show that you were racist
2. have anything to do with these two girls spreading hate
PurchasedRebellion
Oct 27 2005, 01:14 AM
It ceases to amaze me how narrowminded people can be.
gotahemmi55
Oct 27 2005, 10:17 AM
I'm disgusted
racoons > you
Oct 27 2005, 11:38 AM
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Thats horrible, but if you think about it, it will never last, or get popular.
Ever.
the ideas will. racial hatred has lasted since time immemorial. this is jus tthe latest generation of indoctrination
this is really interesting... this family was actually the subject of a documentary about racism in america shown in england earlier this year... i think most of the footage was filmed when the girls were 10/11 if my memory serves me right
at that age, the girls were already playing video games such as 'ethnic cleansing', a game in which the objec tis to shoot as many members of ethnic minorities as possible. it is repulsive to see th elevel to which the mother has pushed these girls... its weird, because when watching the documentary, they are actually REALLY sweet. the guy doing to it was just sort of talkign to them about normal stuff, like clothes and stuff, but then he suddenly got onto racial issues, and they just started spewing this crap... it was ridiculous
*sigh*
i loathe people
Weird addiction
Oct 27 2005, 01:08 PM
QUOTE(evanbunnell @ Oct 27 2005, 6:58 AM)
Tweaks: They're "preserving" the white race because they feel that eventually down the line it's just going to be one big race of humans because of interracial relationships. I'm not racist by any means, but I don't think I could ever be with a black woman... latina sure, maybe asian... But yeah, things like that.
I see many hate crimes spawning from this.
Do you think a black woman would want to be with you?
Besides, why in the world did you say that? It's got nothing to do with the topic. I wish i wasn't quarter white because of people like you.
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Ridiculous.
Although it's probably more entertaining than Rap.
Now i see why you wouldn't date a black woman. Like it or not, you
are a racist.
tweeak
Oct 27 2005, 01:59 PM
QUOTE(evanbunnell @ Oct 27 2005, 1:03 AM)
It's not racist, it's personal preference. I don't treat them any differently, I just wouldn't date someone of that particular race. It would be on the same plain as someone who doesn't like to date left handed people, or overweight people.
Who doesn't like to date left handed people?
jooleeah
Oct 27 2005, 02:01 PM
^
Wtf. O_O Left handed people? that's ridiculous.
evanbunnell
Oct 27 2005, 02:34 PM
You're confusing racism and preference. I don't have a problem with minorities or anyone who isn't white, I won't treat them any differently. I'm just saying I would date those of my same race more likely than I would those of others. And yes, not dating left handed people is a ridiculous example, but it's the same thing. There's nothing wrong with that person and you wouldn't treat them any differently, you're just not looking for a left-handed companion in your life.
Now quick looking for things to tear me apart with just because you don't like me.
tweeak
Oct 27 2005, 02:39 PM
Well, I think they overreacted in response to that comment too, actualy, but yeah.
racoons > you
Oct 27 2005, 02:41 PM
have i mentioned i really dont like evanbunnel? i havent actually seen him post anything pleasant
evanbunnell
Oct 27 2005, 02:45 PM
I really don't care if you like me. What I do care about is why you don't like me. What have I posted that's pleasant/impleasant?
racoons > you
Oct 27 2005, 02:47 PM
well, mainly im talking about the way you acted like a five yearold in that topic you created in fedback.
this just sort of reminded me that you exist.
ParanoidAndroid
Oct 27 2005, 02:48 PM
QUOTE(xcaitlinx @ Oct 26 2005, 6:07 PM)
haha i find it pathetic yet funny that people are STILL racist. it's the freakin 20th century, please stop acting like it's the 1950s. i always knew that unintelligent people like this still existed, but it makes me chuckle to hear stories about them.

it's the 21st century mind you...
owell racist people. they can't just learn how to appreciate other cultures.
I think a lot of other cultures are admirable although **not a racist comment** the truth is, some people are becoming prejudiced just because a person on tv gives a bad example and now everyone thinks that the person of the same culture does that. I won't say "I wish those girls would die because of their f***ing stupidity" but I will say that I hope they learn how to get off a "one-sided" point of view and learn how to love diversity
btw
evanbunnell ignore racoons>you... He doesn't seem to be a person who enjoy a little bit of youthful immaturity
evanbunnell
Oct 27 2005, 02:50 PM
I posted a petition for people to sign, not come in and call me "n00b" because they disagreed. It pissed me off that everyone came in and said, "No, it's not happening and we don't care to listen because you're new and don't have any say... blah blah blah, we're better than you." I tried to handle it calmly in the beginning, but when all you get is harsh negativity, then what are you supposed to do?
What was "5 year old" was the "This is OUR community, stfu noob." attitude of all the people who replied.
tweeak
Oct 27 2005, 02:53 PM
James, as glad as I am that it's not me you're arguing with, don't provoke things.
racoons > you
Oct 27 2005, 02:54 PM
realize that it was a ridiculous idea?
plus, early on in the thread you were provided with a link that should have dealt with all your queries
furthermore, you offended me and others righ toff the bat with the title alone, let alone the content
ParanoidAndroid
Oct 27 2005, 02:54 PM
QUOTE(evanbunnell @ Oct 27 2005, 2:50 PM)
I posted a petition for people to sign, not come in and call me "n00b" because they disagreed. It pissed me off that everyone came in and said, "No, it's not happening and we don't care to listen because you're new and don't have any say... blah blah blah, we're better than you." I tried to handle it calmly in the beginning, but when all you get is harsh negativity, then what are you supposed to do?
yeah when i was a noob everyone was mean... now people that say that are hypocrites especially if they say they hate racism and prejudice. cuz in a way, they're judging you by your status
some people shouldn't take things THAT seriously
and i agree about what you said about that dating a person of the same race or something. well i actually like hungarian/greek boys or sometimes caucasian but it's not that i hate black or asians (besides, i'm asian), it's just i don't find myself physically attracted to them...don't get me wrong i'm not racist, i am actually best friends with a lot of black people.
o0olaalaa
Oct 27 2005, 03:00 PM
i think its dumb.
evanbunnell
Oct 27 2005, 03:01 PM
No, I still don't think it's a ridiculous idea, but as "open-minded" as everyone is, there was little to no discussion, merely argument.
I'd looked at that link before, said that in the thread, nobody cared, invalid comment.
Well, I'm sorry that you were offended by the title of the thread. It was not meant to be offensive, merely to declare my views in a humorous fashion. Realize that humor will offend some people while others find it funny. I certainly hope you're "open-minded" and "mature" enough to fathom such a thing.
Now... can we drop this charade and get back to the topic at hand?
EDIT: Hahaha, o0olaalaa. I agree.
V EDIT2: How open-minded of you! At least hate me for a good reason, not because I have differing tastes than you.
racoons > you
Oct 27 2005, 03:03 PM
well, yes. some wil find it funny. that much is obvious. however, i find it offensive. which is why I dislike you. which was your question.
*shrugs*
tweeak
Oct 27 2005, 03:03 PM
Oh shut up, all of you
ParanoidAndroid
Oct 27 2005, 03:06 PM
basically, i want racoons>you to shut up... he's been mean to everyone and even me when I was a newbie...
you know what i find sad? that a record studio actually agreed to help the twins get a music career
hiromi
Oct 27 2005, 03:08 PM
I had wanted to see this report on TV, but I missed it. It's disgusting in my opinion. But hell, nobody would care if they happened to be murdered... or at least, I won't 9_9 White supremacy- or racism in general should be left behind with the 20th century, and we should move on to the 21st!
tweeak
Oct 27 2005, 03:09 PM
I've told you to stop and drop it already. This is your verbal warning.
racoons > you
Oct 27 2005, 03:10 PM
presumably, it was a white supremesist label.
and im not mean to everyone. i think you'll find you were the one who type-screamed obscenities at me in the boys' locker room.
seriously. you came close to toppling my emotional wall
*sniffle*
Retrogressive
Oct 27 2005, 03:12 PM
I don't think you're mean to everyone o.O
Also do you know WHICH label it was?
ParanoidAndroid
Oct 27 2005, 03:27 PM
I was only mean to you (racoons) because you said something that really hurt my feelings, but I'll drop it and say you're a really nice person for I had a verbal warning...
those girls should mature into an understanding term
EmmalieV
Oct 27 2005, 04:49 PM
WTF , cant the goverment or someone shut them down. Last thing we need are little kids basically shouting out white power , ugh , this is disgusting.
not_your_average
Oct 27 2005, 05:29 PM
Sigh. Racists. I doubt ignorance will ever die.
ParanoidAndroid
Oct 27 2005, 05:36 PM
Unfortunately, ignorance is a human feature we all have, from racism to pessimism, we have it...unfortunately...
Hiphop d[-_-]b
Oct 27 2005, 06:14 PM
Wow. I dont even know what to say to that article.
Kinda speechless ... I feel sorry for those girls though. Their mom has done exactly what she could have by law, and taught her girls ignorance towards the splendors of multi-cultural things
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