care to explain?

what I really want to know is if people aren't born gay, why would they choose to be apart of a highly hated group?

^ How in the world can someone be born gay? It's NOT possible. I'm not sure you choose to be gay either. Sexuality isn't a choice nor are you born with it.

One question, did you choose to be straight (if you are). If yes, how? Did you just sit down one day and said to yourself "i'm going to be straight"?.

It has to be one or the other. Or both. It can't be neither... or else it wouldn't exist.

I didn't choose to be staight. i've just been always attracted to guys.

I sleep on my left side and I'm right handed...go figure.

Eh I did...sort of...I'm getting too slow these days.

If you are of the assumpetion that people ARE born gay, please explain yourself.

i dont think that ppl are born gay. i think its just an excuse for liking the same sex. once i asked my friend why he is gay, and he just said becuz he wants to be. so i just think that ppl choose to be gay!








for anyone who is gay in here, why do you think u were born gay? cuz it seems to me, that most ppl are just using it as an excuse.

Well, I think your one friend is hardly a representative sampling of all homosexuals.

No, its not possible to be born gay(imo). The environment you grow up in and how your mentality matures decides if you are gay. Infant babys can barely process symbols let alone the attraction of the same sex.

using it as an excuse for what?

I think you can still be born gay... it's just something you discover later on in life.

Hey I found this in the Lounge (<- clicky) and recognised your avatar. To the question, you replied:


Could you relate that to your debate on homosexuality? That it is also caused by instincts, or is that only applicable to your heterosexuality?
hmm, seems to me a bit contradictory.

me too.


no, i don't think so. most people are born straight but then become gay when they get older.

^ AN EXCUSE FOR WHAT? ^

You can argue that you were born left-handed or right.
And then AGAIN you can argue that you were born liking applejacks.

We are talking about different personailties, genetics, and DNA. Maybe there is no right and wrong answer. Maybe it's both.

is there really such thing as a baby being born with "gay" dna/genes? if a person was born gay they would genes and dna of that...but no such thing..maybe a person can think they're a heterosexual and then find out later in life as they mentally mature that they're actually gay

why do i have a feeling this is going to become simply a nature vs. nurture shouting match?

^cuz basically..it is a nature vs. nurture shouting match

That is my point. They didn't choose to be gay, they weren't born gay. This is mission impossible. Nobody REALLY knows if sexuality is a choice or if we are born with it. We are all guessing. You have to be a genius or "god" to be 100 % sure.

saying they are born gay. they use it as an excuse for liking the same sex!

Well with the debate over nature v. nurture i've always been the one to believe that people are affected by nurture moreover than by nature. So in the case with being born gay, i disagree. I don't think gay people are born that way just as transexuals aren't born transexuals. Obviously there was a time in their life when transexuals weren't transexual and were happy with their gender. Just the same i think there was a time when homosexuals were happy with liking the opposite sex. It's just that with the environment and people around them that they grew up with made a change in their sexual preference.

WHY DO WE NEED AN EXCUSE FOR LIKING SOMEONE ? WHAT FOR? THE HELL ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? WHY DO YOU HAVE AN EXCUSE TO LIKE GIRLS? IT REALLY REALLY DOESNT MAKE SENSE. YOU ARE MAKING MY HEAD HURT CAUSE THERE IS NO ABSOLUTE SENSE IN WHAT YOU ARE SAYING.

WELL YOUR FRIEND IS STUPID, HOW DO YOU CHOSE TO BE GAY, YOU DONT CHOSE YOU JUST ARE, DEPENDING ON THE RELATIONSHIP AND HOW THEY FEEL TORWARDS ONE PERSON IS HOW YOU FIGURE OUT.

SO YOUR FRIEND HE CHOSE TO BE GAY, SO HE IS ATTRACTED TO GIRLS BUT WANTS TO LIKE GUYS? CAUSE THATS WHAT IM GETTING OUT OF YOUR POST.

^ No need for the caps. But i'm with you.

jellybeans, if someone can choose to be gay, that means someone can choose to be straight.

did you choose to be straight? did you wake up one morning and was like, "i want to be straight."

if that's the case, then before someone chooses their sexual orientation, they had to be something else. so before you friend "choose" to be gay, he was either asexual or straight. if you are straight, that means before you choose to be straight, you were either gay or asexual.

i wonder what i was before i was straight...

People are more or less asexual before their hormones kick in. They don't actually have attraction to anyone, they only feed off of influences from the outside world. Therefore, when a teenager goes through puberty, their hormones combobulate and come out with whatever they are attracted to. Just like a person turns out to be attracted to certain qualities of another person without being able to help it, people turn out to be attracted to a certain gender. So, it happens during puberty. It's luck of the draw, just like the gender of yourself is luck of the draw.

That's what I think.

Living thing's instincts are to reproduce are they not?....Crap, I gotta go, Ill edit this later.

Why would you need an excuse for liking the same sex?....

Exactly... Haha. Where do these people come up with these things?

PEOPLE ARE NOT, BORN GAY!!! thats what i am saying. i dont know why they need an excuse. i just think that they just say they are born gay, because they really dont kno why they like the same sex. i have a couple of gay friends and when myself and other people ask them why, they just say "becuase",or somethin stupid like" its none of your business". i have never heard any gay person say exactly why they are gay? i mean, to me i think it is just there choice.
and wut are u talking about "HOW DO U CHOOSE TO BE GAY"? ITS NOT THAT HARD! how are people bisexual? did they just come out liking both sexes?!?!

How are you straight? Is it just your choice? So technically we are all bisexual and if you're straight you just choose to overshadow the homosexual part?

huh? srry im not tryin to be mean or anything, but u lost me. yea, i chose to be straight. i dont see wut your point is. but u lost me on, how technically we are all bisexual.

How do you know they're not saying that because they really believe they're born gay?


Umm... yes? Maybe? That's what we're trying to figure out.

I don't choose to like cheesecake. I just do.

I'm bisexual...

You bisexuals.... Just make up your minds already....

......


I'm kidding, I'm kidding, I'm kidding!

*shrug* well right now I prefer girls more... but some days it changes

Boys are trouble, anyway

Boys indeed are stupid, confusing creatures.

Anywho. I don't believe gay people are born gay. You aren't born straight, are you? Did you have the desire to kiss someone of the opposite sex when you were five? Or did you think they had cooties and you couldn't touch them? I'm a girl and I didn't really like boys. They were icky. I had no attraction until I went through puberty. Isn't that when people grow up and develop their pituitary (sp?) gland? The pituitary gland causes sexual attraction. You don't become attracted to people before you go through puberty.

Think, people.
And read my other theory. No one agrees with it? I mean, really, it seems most logical. That's how they explain depression, too. Imbalance of hormones.

i think it can be a whole host of problems. i mostly believe in hormonal imbalance but i've met someone who originally liked girls but she was such a fcuking bitch to him and after that he just kept on going out with horrible girls. so slowly, he got to thinking that guys would be a better match.

btw, i've seen six year old kissing and growing out. >< and then there were little kids doing sexual activities.

Yea, but that's due to influence from media and their parents and whatnot. When you were six, did you ever really think "Hey that guy's pretty attractive "? No.

I don't think anyone could have said it better. I was attracted to Barney and crayons when I was six.

Its impossible to be 100% either one...Thats why we have parents that both have brown hair and they give birth to a kid with blonde hair, which would be nature. That doesnt have anything to do with WHO they are as a person. That's due to what is called "life changing experiences" or "epiphanies", the nurture. Nobody is BORN a mass murderer, they get that way becuse of how they are treated in life. Do you think the Columbine kids planned that shooting? No, they were abused, rejected, mistreated, and scorned throughout life and thats what warped their minds...Nurture...Being 6'8" or having abnormally slow metabolism, having blonde hair and green eyes is nature, you cant help that, but each person can help how they react to situations.

This should be merged with the "are you born gay?" topic.

OmG i love you! ppl choose to be gay. like u said ppl aren't born mass murders, ppl aren't born to kill other ppl. so how are ppl just born gay, and others not?

^ uh... he's not saying that at all. he's saying that people aren't born gay but turn gay because of trauma or other life-changing situations. he's saying that people aren't born gay but because of special circumstances, they become gay.

that's the reason some people are gay and some aren't. because some people grew up in different situations.

there's some flaws in that theory. a majority of homosexuals were raised by heterosexuals and a lot were even raised in strong religious families. how does a heterosexual couple nuture a child to become homosexual?

Why the hell are you comparing mass murders to gay people, I find that very offensive! I don't think that was the right way to say what you were trying to express.

^Some people are just cruel like that. (although he isn;t comparing mass murderers to gay people, he was using the example of HOW someone becomes someone. Even though it sounded harsh, it is kinda true how someone becomes who they are)

If it just me but do I feel like I am using gay people as a "lab rat" for an experiment? I don't like the idea of doubting homosexuality

*edit*
you know, I agree with the people who said you're not born gay or straight. When I was young I hated boys for being stupid and i liked anime a lot now i am all throwing myself for boys. I think it's more of influence that makes someone gay but really, I don't want to judge someone how they become who they are. Maybe it;s better to ask someone who IS gay but then again they might not know it themselves. It just happens. If you're born gay, then you must have gay DNA in you. But there is no such thing as gay DNA. It's just like that.

ok. thx for restating it for me

people are born predisposed to be gay or straight.

it's in the genes.

and as strange as it may sound, gayness is a pretty good trait for ensuring the survival of a species.

straight males often assert thier dominance. Male lions will kill or kick out thier male young. They will kill all male young when they take over a pride.

however, if the dominant male fails to produce male offspring, and with no other males, the group will die out.

gay males, therefore, are a saftey net. they are not killed as competition by straight males, because they are not. however, when they are the last ones left, with encouragement from the females they can ensure the species continues.


it's like with wasps, unfertilized wasp eggs develop into males. the female wasp then mates with her male offspring to propogate the species.

almost all species has some sort of safety net. gay males may just be humanity's safety net.

which would mean, it's genetic.

Justin, did you consider my little theory?

Were you born straight? Attracted to females from day one, without influences from media and your parents? When you went through puberty, you felt no change in that?

i'm saying predisposed...

like, when you're born, it's already written in your genes that when you hit puberty you'll be gay or straight...

But how could that be if you're not either as a child? Your genes are always there. They don't just appear during puberty. Besides, puberty is alllll about hormones and how they are balanced, where they go. Why wouldn't sexual determination have to deal with that too, seeing as that's when attraction starts?

your hormones are set by your genes tho.

No they're not. O_o You meet a person and are/are not attracted to them based on the balance of your hormones. You think it's set when you're concieved who you're going to be attracted to?