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krnxswat
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So, was the way we behave engrained in us before we were born? Or has it developed over time in response to our experiences?
EmeraldKnight
I just kinda skimmed through it, but i think its a combination of both, with primarily nurture.. i mean.. there are geniuses born every day that never get the chance to develop their skills because of their environment.. conversely, there are ppl raised in the best environments that still dont amount to anything because of genetics

The idea of genetics applies heavily to physical development, but not so much to psychological.. psychological and emotional development depend most on the environment, because as a human being, you absorb everything around you, everything in your environment influences your development, thats my take
strice
yeah, it is a combination. locke's tabula rasa isn't correct because its been proven that genetics affects behaviour aswell.
EmeraldKnight
well... considering that this is the debate forum, why dont you take a side? =p
mai_z
i think its a lil bit of both.... but the nature vs nurture about humans being evil n mean and overpowering and stuff... i think is nature cuz it's survival of the fittest, i mean... instinct?
EmeraldKnight
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i think its a lil bit of both.... but the nature vs nurture about humans being evil n mean and overpowering and stuff... i think is nature cuz it's survival of the fittest, i mean... instinct? 

but as humans, survival of the fittest doesnt just mean instinct or physical capabilities like it does to most others, as humans, intellectual and psychological development contribute to our survival as well.. i mean.. unless you lived as a hermit in the jungle or something, instincts alone wont do you much good
islandkiss
I was watching one of my favorite shows, the View, and they mentioned a controversial case about a man who was pressing charges against a preist for "turning him into a homosexual" because he raped him repeatedly when he was a young child.


Do you believe that people are born gay or do they choose to be? be sure to explain your reasons

this seems to be a very loaded/controversial topic. I personally believe that people are born gay because who chooses to be apart of something that most people are against? some people also believe that there's a gene that determines your sexuality.

i'm pretty curious about what you guys think. debate away
RiC3xBoy
Well there is a theory that men are born gay until puberty where it depends how much your heterosexuality represses your homosexuality.
o0olaalaa
my teacher told me that they are born gay. like studies show that gay people have this thing in their brain that people who arent gay dont have
sadolakced acid
no, not any more that people are born male or female.
AngryBaby
why dont we ask someone? there is people here to ask.
Justingamemaster
You were born gay laugh.gif
eunie03
Love is just chemical reactions in your brain. Some people have the right chemistry and have a spark together. I personally don't really think it matters whether someone has a penis or not. You like what you like.

So I suppose it can be both. You can like something since birth, or you can grow to like something after a while. It doesn't really work well with the priest raping situation, but the case is bull to me.
AngryBaby
QUOTE(Justingamemaster @ Oct 14 2005, 12:26 AM)
You were born gay laugh.gif
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what?
Justingamemaster
QUOTE(L!ckitySplit @ Oct 13 2005, 9:36 PM)
what?
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Can you read?
Retrogressive
I think we are born as people. Gay is a prefrences... it's not like I was born liking pink or liking green. I know that's how I feel about my sexuality, it's a prefrence not anything I was born with.
Olive
If a hermaphrodite was sexually attracted to males, yet had dominantly male genitals and a feminine state of mind, wouldn't that be considered "born gay"?
Mulder
some people say that the reason that people are homosexual (at least some of them), is that they have more of one chemical in their brain, or less of a different one, and it causes it to basically...override their attraction to their opposite sex and primitive instincts for....makin babies.

i just made that up btw. sounded true enough. laugh.gif

eh. people could turn gay because they were raised just by a parent of the opposite sex. like a boy whose raised by a mentally distured mother... you know, one who wants to have complete control over their sons, even when they're really old....
they either become murderers, or gay.

haha. i love making up information.
Rachel
^Well you shouldn't in a debate, kthanks.

QUOTE(RiC3xBoy @ Oct 13 2005, 9:08 PM)
Well there is a theory that men are born gay until puberty where it depends how much your heterosexuality represses your homosexuality.
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I've never heard that theory. Interesting! Happen to have a link to an article or something like that?


Anyways, I pretty much believe that people are "born" gay. I think it is something in their genes/chemicals in their brains. I am pretty sure most boys wouldn't choose to become someone in society who is hated for what they feel. I think homosexuality is just something that happens naturally. There is no way to be "turned" gay and no way to "cure" homosexuality.
crazedbaby
I'm not against gay people. I'm not really getting the fact why it's such a big deal if you're a guy liking a guy or a girl liking a girl. That's just flippin retarded. I saw this in the New York Post but whatever. It could be both. You could be born gay and be sexually attracted to the same sex. And maybe in some cases people can choose to be gay for whatever reason they have. Yup.
reflection
i don't because most people believe they are gay when they are attracted to someone of the same sex and that could happen at any age.
Rachel
^Maybe they have just finally come to terms with it when they are 35, but they have always been gay.
Retrogressive
Hmmm...

Maybe it is some people with differen't chemical properties and some with just a prefrence. With me, I'm attracted to men and women and I have no clue how to explain it but I've not always been attracted to women. Sometimes I think gay people make up that they've been gay all there lives, not all of them but sometimes I think they just say that.
AngryBaby
QUOTE(Justingamemaster @ Oct 14 2005, 12:37 AM)
Can you read?
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im not gay if thats what your asking lol. im just saying there are homosexuals on this site, why dont we ask them?
mipadi
A good friend of mine is gay. People often ask him, "When did you know you were gay?" His response: "When did you know you were straight?"
ParanoidAndroid
I think most people who are gay just become gay instead of being born gay. I've never heard of anyone who was born gay but people assume that the children of gay couples (you're stupid if you don't know where the children come from.. obviously they either adopted or injected a sperm cell/egg cell on one of the spouses) are gay. But I don't think that's true. At least it most likely isn't true. However the children can be influenced at ane extremely young age that they're gay from adults that are close to them. So I guess it's more of influence or changes that causes someone to be a homosexual. But sometimes someone can be born gay but just realize it when they grow up... Idk I am kinda confused right now.
iNyCxShoRT
QUOTE(mipadi @ Oct 14 2005, 9:22 PM)
A good friend of mine is gay. People often ask him, "When did you know you were gay?" His response: "When did you know you were straight?"
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^ =O very good comeback.

I think that you're born gay. I wonder if baby boys acting girly has anything to do with whether they'll be gay in the future or not.
sadolakced acid
QUOTE(insomniac @ Oct 14 2005, 3:25 PM)
eh. people could turn gay because they were raised just by a parent of the opposite sex. like a boy whose raised by a mentally distured mother... you know, one who wants to have complete control over their sons, even when they're really old....
they either become murderers, or gay.

haha. i love making up information.[/size][/font]
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there is no such thing as turning gay. there is such a thing as accepting that you are gay, but turning gay is as likely to happen as turning to the opposite sex suddenly in your life.

many things, like a distant father, which appear to cause homosexuality in males most often is actually a response to homosexuality.

so be careful what conclusions you draw.
Weird addiction
People aren't born gay, they don't even choose to be gay. It's something that's inexplicable. I'm bi, i didn't choose to be bi, i'm attracted to girls and that's it.
Paradox of Life
A person is born gay. Period. They will never feel attracted to the opposite gender and are more partial to the same gender. Homosexuality is not a choice. No one would choose to be a homosexual with all the discrimination going on. And I know people who are gay who say it's ineviditable that they are this way. It is a mental defect (and yes, I said defect) and people overcomplicate things because it's supposedly against nature.

And I just want to say, stop sticking up for homosexuals by saying

"There's nothing wrong with being a homosexual. What if you really loved someone but they were of the same sex?"

Then I would say

"And what if you really loved someone and they were the opposite sex?"

Sorry, just had to say that. Because it gets on my nerves. Homosexuals are not anymore 'open-minded' than heterosexuals. Actually, one's sexual preference has nothing to do with being open-minded because it's just how you're born. Being bisexual or homosexual is just not mainstream is all.
Weird addiction
QUOTE(Paradox of Life @ Oct 16 2005, 5:13 PM)
A person is born gay. Period. They will never feel attracted to the opposite gender and are more partial to the same gender.
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Wrong. My step brother used to be straight, then bi, then fully gay. He used to be very attracted to girls.
super_grover08
i heard it was because of a hormone malfunction or unbalance or something like that.
Rachel
^Okay, well what is your stance on the issue then? What do you think? You should say more than what you heard...


QUOTE(Weird addiction @ Oct 16 2005, 9:20 AM)
Wrong. My step brother used to be straight, then bi, then fully gay. He used to be very attracted to girls.
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As I said before, maybe he didn't realize he was gay until later but he could still have always been gay. Also, maybe he did not want to accept the fact that he was a homosexual.
sadolakced acid
QUOTE(Weird addiction @ Oct 16 2005, 10:20 AM)
Wrong. My step brother used to be straight, then bi, then fully gay. He used to be very attracted to girls.
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ahh yes.

well, maybe he just never met a guy he liked till then.

or he was predisposed to think he was supposed to like girls.
islandkiss
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You were born gay 


mm no. how about, grow up? kthanks.

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Wrong. My step brother used to be straight, then bi, then fully gay. He used to be very attracted to girls.


I agree with Rachel, it's possible that your brother just wasn't sure about his sexuality and as time went on, he realized that he prefered guys
melface
I do believe that there are your handful of gays that CHOOSE to be gay. But seriously, WHY would anyone in their right mind choose to be discriminated against, hated, and even killed for being who they are/want to be?

I suppose that there are those gays that are born gay... but then again, there are factors that could tie into all of this. Say, a young boy was raped or molested by an older guy... Often...repeatedly. Then yes, it could have an effect on the young boy and change his mindset on dating and what not. This is because the boy feels as if it's okay... I mean, he doesn't know any better, right? He just feels cool and accepted by someone he looks up to. So, he continues to do whatever is said to be done to please the older guy sexually. Sure, it's wrong... but it happens... all the time.
mai_z
I believe that the majority of gays are born gay. However, there maybe a few who are bi, but choose to be exclusively gay. I've heard the theory about the chemicals in your brain, and it does make sense in a way. Most people just assume people to be straight because of our culture, so that's why I think that people believe that gays are 'turned' that way.
sadolakced acid
people aren't born gay just like people aren't born left handed.

it just doesn't happen.
technicolour
^ Yes!

You can't be born gay.

You develop into that..over time...
sadolakced acid
err...

you did catch the sarcasm, right?
mai_z
LMAO looks like someone didn't notice the sarcasm.
Actually, I've heard that being left/right handed is related to the side the baby slept on, but I don't think that was ever confirmed.
eunie03
QUOTE(sadolakced acid @ Oct 17 2005, 6:12 PM)
people aren't born gay just like people aren't born left handed.

it just doesn't happen.
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Haha, I did catch your sarcasm... and I agree. But you know... *technically* the same argument can be used with left-handedness. You can be conditioned over time.
simx
I'm bi... and I'm pretty sure I was born that way...
I sure as hell didn't choose to be like this =/
itsARIE
Last Year (my senior year) one of my very good friends came out about his "sexuality"... his parents are super christian... so it was a big deal! I've had a lot of thought about this and this is my view.

"I do not believe that people are born gay"... although ppl say it... i don't believe it. God (in my oppinion) did not make anyone gay. Now, I'm not saying that they choose to be gay. I'm just simply saying they weren't born that way... no way, no how (in my mind atleast)
mai_z
Well if they aren't born gay, and they didn't choose to be gay, how exactly do you think that they become gay? Our society? Poisoned water?? radioactive spider bite?
sadolakced acid
satan whispered in thier ear that jesus loved them and now they want to love jesus back.
Joss-eh-lime
^okayy.. huh.gif


people arent born gay...
eunie03
QUOTE(one_and_only @ Oct 19 2005, 11:57 PM)
people arent born gay...
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Why not?
simx
QUOTE(eunie03 @ Oct 20 2005, 12:53 AM)
Why not?
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yea.... why not?... I'd really like to know why I wasn't born "gay"
Retrogressive
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People aren't born gay, they don't even choose to be gay. It's something that's inexplicable. I'm bi, i didn't choose to be bi, i'm attracted to girls and that's it.


THANK YOU! thumbsup.gif

To me, sexuality doesn't matter that much. I was stressing and stressing on how to put myself in a little box with a neat little label. I think people who say they are GAY and STRAIGHT are just lyeing to themselves. I don't know why we as human beings have to be so closeminded about everything. It's not a matter of being straight or gay, it's a matter of loving with all your heart- whomever it may be.
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