Nay.

I'll add my input, as someone who's been around for only a few months.

As far as I'm concerned, I will never be added to staff. That's not because I'm not qualified or because no one likes me, but because I will never meet the minimum post requirement. I'm not necessarily whining about not being added, just sayin'. :P

I put thought into every post, and many of my posts are in response to help threads, so it takes longer than your average "what's your favorite ___" post. I'm very active in the LiveJournal forum, I just don't have a high post count. For that reason, I will never be added to staff. Again, just sayin'. :P

Personally, I think it should be based on qualification and being active regularly, not necessarily meeting a minimum post requirement.

nay nay

Hear, hear. This is exactly why I do not endorse a minimum post count, either. I find a person who posts every now and then, but puts a lot of thought into a post, and reads at least visits regularly, more "hirable" than a person who just answers a "what's your favorite whatever" on a regular basis.

your input is greatly appreciated, but please remember that, as you are not officially a committeee member, you arent eligible to vote in final decisions.

all members are welcome to contribute, and i agree with everything you said, however.

currently 2 ayes

4 nays

Eh, I'm kind of in a grey area. I mean, if the person really is qualified, they'll get hired anyway. I just don't see why it's that big of a problem. It discourages those who we all know won't get hired if they have like, 10 posts but still say in threads "i'll be myspace staff!" ya know? We don't want to discourage people from still trying when they don't get hired, so why not stop them from applying and getting their hopes up in the first place?

I don't know. Aye and nay.

^

want to abstain?

^ I want to abstain my vote. Either way I think would work fine.

okey doke.

well that brings us to:

1 aye

4 nays

1/2 absetentions.

but wasn't that what the two months limit was supposedly?

^ Yeah, plus if we dont think we know that person well enough to be hired then they wont. They would have to prove themselves more for the next hiring in that case.

AYE!!!!!!

c'mon guys...When we post up "hey we're looking for new staff members" and...."these are the technical requirements: 2 month membership and a ppd of 5"
ahh, in my opinion i would ask more when hiring someone., the person already doesn't have to be endorsed! 2 month membership + 5 ppd = an averaged 300 posts. =(I would expect more from a member then that when applying for staff. technically, you know. I'm not talking about their character or how well they would be a mod, i'm actually talking technical. you know? A "2 month membership and 5 ppd" sounds more like an Official member to me, then Staff.

so AYE! lol

2 ayes

4 nays

1 abstention (im not counting sammi until she confirms it)

*****

katie:

i agree that it is unlikely that a candidate will be found with merely 300 posts who definately deserves to be on the staff team. however, its possible. there were plenty of people who supported michael after only that amount of time...

and if it turns out that none of the people who apply with the bare minimum of requirements are suitable, then they just dont get hired. plus, if they reapply, it helps the mods see that they have been interested in joining the staff since early on in their 'cb lives' (that term made me cringe), in other words it isnt just a sudden whim.

just because more applications are likely under the new system doesnt mean that they are garunteed to be hired, nor does it mean that EVERYONE with the bare minimum with requirements will apply, nor does it mean that ONLY people with the bare minimum requirements wil apply

Eh, fine. I guess it couldn't hurt. Just the hiring thread will be quite cluttered with useless applications...and people will get discouraged easily....

Ya know what? Aye. Yea. I think we need it.

^lol i don't know why but what you said there made me smile :)
And, i def understand what you are talking about that. I just thought it weird that we're talking about 5 ppd for official members and like a raise of 50 posts to (say 200) posts to become an official member. Shouldn't there a limit then when applying for staff? It wouldn't take much to apply for a staff position, and i feel really bad for the people who are going to be reading through all of those applications

so, i know it hasnt been discussed and now that katie makes a point about post counts, do you have to be an official memeber still for staff since there is no required post count, just a 2 month, 7 ppd requirement. yeah, you have to have so many posts to achieve it, but still.

^ We're still voting on the post count thing, its not official yet. I think you should make a separate thread about that so we can continue to vote on the post count thing in here.

Since I have to vote, I favor having a required post count more, so aye.

so is that 5 ayes 4 nays?

._. what if it turns out 5 to 5? we keep it as it is?

Nay

I dont think its 5 and 5...recount. I dont believe Fae has voted.

i make it 2 ayes and 5 nays, one abstention

and if we hit a tie, or dont get a majority, we reenter debate a poll again later

^ no, remember in the voting thread you said that everyone on the committee needs to vote, so there are no abstentions. I already vote aye.

oh i forgot about that

ok

i just recounted

4 ayes, 5 nays

fae hasnt voted

What are we voting on again?

^
thats what i was thinking. im pretty sure it was post counts for appling to be a mod.

LOL...ok that made me laugh because I have been getting confused lately myself. We are voting on a post count requirement for modship.

Aye? I think? I should go back and read, maybe...

nicki, you've voted nay already

yaaaaah

Ok then. Nevermind that. OOooh, yeah, this topic now I remember. That was just today, too.

Yeah, stick with my original nay. I didn't realize this was the same topic I was reading earlier...somehow

*spasms at people confusing me*

right. so

4 ayes, 5 nays

fae has yet to vote

because you guys are going fast.. lol

kidding.

nay nay nay.

Ok 4 nays/ 6 ayes

*imitates James* :P

Motion passed that no post count minimum will be required for applying for a staff postion.

Wait...I just realized something...

We're all voting on requirements for Official members to have 200 posts before they can be entitled for an official member in a different thread..soo....You have to be an official member to become a staff member. So is it a good idea to have both these votes up at the same time? And really there is a hidden post limit either way. You really would have to have 200 (if that's passed) posts to even run for a staff member. So with you guys voting for no limit, there already would be a hidden limit. Unless you said you dont have to be an official member to become a mod, which is absurd!
And with you guys voting for a limit, well...there already is one, and maybe the limit should be raised too since you only need 200 to become an official member....
ahh, am i making sense or do you guys get what i mean?

Exactly what I was dicussing with Nicki backstage......

Kiera and I were just discussing that. It's like a catch, but a good one, as far as I'm concerned. No one with under 200 posts should become a mod, especially since that was almost considered too low for official membership. It's just like an absolute minimum as a ...backing thing (can't think of the word)

Yah, so you would think a person would be Required to have more then 200 posts to become a staff member since 200 posts is JUST for an official member?

I don't think we should assign a mod post limit, and apparrently neither did the majority of everyone else. However, 200 should be a given, and this will make it official.

Okay, the point of my voting "nay" for no mod post limit is to encourage those who'd want to apply for staff to apply. It's a nice incentive, in my opinion, and it has a lot to do with common sense. If anyone feels that it's 'absurd' to vote nay here and aye to 200 for official membership, feel free to count my vote null. I guess I just didn't remember that a person needs official membership to become staff. Actually, a 200 posts requirement sounds dandy, too.


*murmurs to herself*Talk about official membership, I need to be a normal member. I do not have a button link to Createblog. Haven't had it even before I became staff, I think.*/end*.

fae, we arent allowing absteentions, so were going to allow your vote to count as a nay.

that means that, apart from that req

*sorry, i accidentally subimtted before i was done, and i cant edit my posts*

anyway, apart from that required to become an official member, no post count will apply to those wanting to become mods

However, you must be an offical member to apply for a staff position (unless very expectionally qualifed) which requires 200 posts.

I put this in the approved bylaws lists.

^

indeed... it's a clever little catch, isnt it?

That was my point