^
does that mean you want to join?

rachel, that would be fantastic.

i'll consider your space to be taken, leave one for justin, and also, i;ve approached katt about the fifth place. i think she is competent in discussion, and she certainly doesnt share my views about a lot of subjects, so she works for the balance issue. provided katt and justin are interested, we have our delegates!

ok, next issue

should we use a subforum of CB for the discussions, or an entirely seperate invisionfree board?

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some arguments for either option:

Invisionfree Board

For:

- one forum can be given over for non-delegates to post ideas/suggestions/comments on the work the delgates are doing. It is important that, as representatives, we are aware of the way people feel about certain issues.

- another forum can be solely for the use of staff to actuall discuss proposals in more detail, and hammer out the actual writing of the by-laws, without people getting in the way. non-delegates will be able to view, but not to post in this forum.

- all delegates can be given moderator powers, meaning we are not dependent on the CB mods to keep threads in order.

Against

- it wont be immediately obvious where the discussions are taking place. someone with an excellent idea could miss out, because they do not know the url of the invisonfree board

- people would hav eto actually register on the board to post, which may be a deterrent

Sub-Forum

For

- It's familiar, and easily accesible to, all members

- it keeps the discussions within CB, meaning no one has to register seperately to comment

Against

- It will be difficult to seperate actual writing out of the bylaws and formal decisions from non-delegate posts. it coud become disorganized very quickly

- We would be dependent on CB mods to keep things in order/tidy, and to deal with any time wasters. this wil be inconvenient to member-delegates, as well as givng some delegates more authority than others, which for the purposes of an open discussion, is not fair.

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personally, i favour the invisionfree board. the organizational/equality benefits outweigh possible disadvantages, as far as i can see
if we make the board visible for guest to view, then people only have to register to actually post their say, and anyone who feels strongly enough about this is unlikely to be dettered by having to register.
in terms of people not knowing where to find us, a pinned thread in feedback with the link should let people know. afterall, the people who post mot in fedback ar elikely to be the most interested in this project

views. not just from delegates, but non-delegates as well

^If done by invisonboard (the better choice to me) we could make an announcement in Announcements for all to see with the link. If someone really wants to comtribute to cB, then signing up to voice their opinion wont be that much of a deterrent.

btw, if anyone objects to me refering to the selected committee members as delegates, please let me know

it just seemed more appropriate than calling us like, 'the elite' vs. 'regular members', as half of us will be regular members...

yeah.

the invisionfree board is what im leaning towards, but remember, there are 5 mods that will be on the commitee. yes, it's in feedback, but someone suggested a head staff person as well. they will be able to do as we need. maybe frankie?

with that being said, i still say we use the invisionfree board because we can all be granted with access to do as we please and get rid of wasteful things. it also keeps cB uncluttered and its just amongst us to keep it organized rather than people not taking part.

delegates is fine. it's just a word.

is there anyway the 5 staff members joining the commitee can become assembled asap so we can get this rolling, thus getting it done faster?

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to be fair though, if it were a sub forum under faeedback, it wouldnt necessarily have to follow the same 'only head staff can moderate rule'

but anyway, i think it is important that all delegates have equal power during the discussions

^thats true, but then only staff can close it and not the regular members.

i just say we use invisionfree entitling everyone of equal power so if staff members arent on, it can be dealt with as necessary.

once again,
is there anyway the 5 staff members joining the commitee can become assembled asap so we can get this rolling, thus getting it done faster and ending the chaos?

i think (unless james objects) that kiera and nicki have already volunteered meaning well need 3 more. any takers?

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well, to be fair, we need to hear from justin and katt.

and also, jusun has to approve them. i hav eno say over the staff delegates. calm down, this will take a litle while to get fully rolling

also, in terms of equality, i think that its important that we say from early on that we arent going into this as 'mods vs. members', if we take votes on issues, each person is free to vote as they see fit, based on the points put forth by delegate and non-delegates.

we are two teams palying soccer or anything, we represent the people

i didnt know jusun had to pick them. eh, oh well. itll get done sooner or later.

Hrm.... opinions, opinions....

anyways, I would like to keep those up. Partly to let those needy to read it, read it, and partly because I didn't finish reading up all of them.

[Anyways, would anyone like some double chocolate chip cookies?]

Chill out people. It's an internet message board.


It's hard for moderators not to be conservative when it comes to the rules. Obviously, we have to, since we are charged with enforcing them. But that doesn't mean we're not open to ideas. There is no need for bickering here. There's a feedback forum. You guys post ideas, we look at them and decide which ones will improve CB. However, like it or not, this isn't a democracy. Admins usually call the shots, but ultimately, it's micron's decision for the bigger things. Like it or not, the admin's word is law. You guys should consider yourself lucky just to have a benevolent guy like micron as the owner.

So how about it guys, no more drama. Talk like grown ups, ok?

I would be interested in joining a committee to discuss by-laws and other community-related guidelines, from a non-mod's perspective.

May I join, too, if there's still a spot available? cB politics=yummy. Er..


LOL @ Kryo's sign.

edited... but yea.. mods are supposed to be conservative about cB guidelines and policies.

Um, I want in..



That is a funny sign, but what's even funnier is that all this isn't even drama compared to what we've had before...people keep saying there's more drama now, but it's just little. Anyone remember Kathleen/Trish?..only older mods would, but wow. THAT was drama.

Okay, wait a minute. Do you mean people that submitted an application LAST time? I don't think that should matter. I have worked very, very hard to get the requirements, and I was not submitting a application last time because I didn't have the requirements. It should matter on how friendly, helpful, and respectful they are to other members and the community. Sure, this was my first attempt to try to be on the staff, and I didn't make it.. not that I'm mad, or such. Just a question.

All of that played a factor who the mods chose in putting on the list. It was a very fair process, IMO.

But its also the reason for the by-laws being brought up, that they all the applicants can know what to expect during the hiring process.

I don't really think I have a place in here, but yes, I was surprised at who was chosen to be in the people staff. People debating about this really has no effect because it's pressuring the mods and stirring up more drama and obviously we have way too much of that already.

hmm. i go away to do physics and look what happens...

right.

so far we have, i think, in the creation committie:

michael
sammi
nicki
james
justin
fae
kryo
keira


so far 4 1/2 mods, 3 1/2 non (fae counts half.

any i missed?

I remember that. You don't necessarily have to be an old mod to remember things like that. Just saying.

Well only old mods would have seen the thread they fought in...

james said i was part of the committee and jusun is choosing the 5 from staff.

alright, so


michael
sammi
nicki
james
justin
fae
kryo
keira
incoherent

let's get one more member.

oh we should get mindy!

Let's not.

Nothing against Mindy, but don't you think having people that are really active on CB would help more?

^x2

lol, just so you know, the names spencer.

(cough) Justin what happened to me!

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oh yeah, james had talked about her being on it.

i think you should return, but fully so (if that makes sense)!

that doesnt make sense...what are you talking about?

ahh sure..


michael
sammi
nicki
james
justin
fae
kryo
keira
spencer
rachel


that's 10, 5 mods, 5 members.

anyone else want in?

i think we should make it 11 so if it's just us voting theres no chance of it coming out even.

just a suggestion.

^2 I dont think James (kyro) volunteered himself, you should ask him first.

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he may have in a p/m

her sig says she's gone. but she still visits now and then. i'm saying she should return "full time" and be more active. especially after sammi's comment about wanting really active members on this deal. (and for the sake of returning, duh.)

well who says Sammi's word is law

It's not, it was just a suggestion since Jusun said "don't make them all your friends" and whatnot....

I was joking my love =]

i just suggested mindy because of her interest in politics, but i don't think she'd do it anyways...


yea i just realized kryo didn't vollunteer...



michael
sammi
nicki
james
justin
fae
keira
spencer
rachel

9.

Wow, i think this is a great idea...and I really like the picks. I just read through the entire thread and i'm happy you guys are so passionate about this. If you do need another member, i would be more then happy to join.

what's your name?

^ Her name is Katie

alright.

michael
sammi
nicki
james
justin
fae
keira
spencer
rachel
katie

10

5 mod 5 member

might we need more design staff?

^Hey thanks, i feel really good about being part of this.
And about the design staff, it probably wouldn't hurt putting more in

hey guys,
good to see that everyone's so passionate about this.

just so that everyone's on the same page, let me remind you (those who are part of the commitee) that this is going to be a lot of work and responsibilty. the best type of persons for drafting bylaws are people who are detail oriented, highly analytical, keen on hindsight and foresight, and dont mind getting their hands dirty.

if you are all of the above, then im sure youre going to enjoy this. otherwise, i would recommend that you widthdraw from the commitee now.

if executed properly, youll be making cb history. so act accordingly. =)

ill leave this open for another day for people to reconsider and if there are others who might be interested in joining the commitee. if youre a member and wish to be part of the commitee, dont mind that its already full. speak up, everyone will have their proper cosideration. likewise for staff members. and it doesnt matter if youre coming in with 10 posts, your post counts are insignificant here. just explain to us why you should be part of the comittee, and we'll give you proper consideration.

hmmmm....

maybe i ought to make an announcement about this instead. so we get as many candidates as possible.

That would probably be a good idea, because the idea kinda developed halfway through the thread.

i for one am glad to see that 's-money' lol finally made it and i think it'll turn out to be for the better cuz they all no what they're doin roxy aint no chump

come again?

I think he basically just said he supports Suzzette as staff. Grammar is not the specialty around here.

oh,
and as for the subforum vs invisionfree, i wasnt convinced by the arguments for invisionfree. we're going to make two subforums, one for discussion open to the public, and one open only to the commitee members. commitee members will have moderator abilities in these two forums. and guest posting will be enabled for those who wish to contribute anonymously.