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tkproduce
QUOTE(Kathleen @ Apr 30 2004, 11:07 PM)
You have to realize that Europe has a different culture than us, you know.

ok, how about this one. Japan is probably one of the largest smoking nations in the world. there are very little restrictions, although a lot are starting to be introduced, on smoking in public. Yet, Japanese people have one of the longest life expectancies in the world
aud_chua
smoking is just crazy.. i don't think that people should be allowed to smoke at all..!
i mean.. they're just wasting their money, polluting the air, and killing people..! including themselves!!!!!!
tkproduce
QUOTE(aud_chua @ May 3 2004, 3:23 AM)
smoking is just crazy.. i don't think that people should be allowed to smoke at all..!
i mean.. they're just wasting their money, polluting the air, and killing people..! including themselves!!!!!!

polluting the air.. lol that's the first time I've heard of that one!
Kathleen
QUOTE(tkproduce @ May 1 2004, 9:24 AM)
ok, how about this one. Japan is probably one of the largest smoking nations in the world. there are very little restrictions, although a lot are starting to be introduced, on smoking in public. Yet, Japanese people have one of the longest life expectancies in the world

Did you ever realize that they eat a lot healthier than us? You have to factor that into it if you're going to take that point. wink.gif
ducky_in_ny
ppl should not smoke period! I dond't see what ppl like about it, it can kill you, makes you smell, and makes your teeth black!
tkproduce
QUOTE(Kathleen @ May 3 2004, 7:22 PM)
Did you ever realize that they eat a lot healthier than us? You have to factor that into it if you're going to take that point. wink.gif

well exactly. so according to your argument, surely fast food should be banned in america if obesity is killing people
tinababy143
i never realli thot of the legal age..i figure no matter what the legal age is..ppl of all ages are gonna do it ne waise..its gross tho..i've tried it before..and i know ppl from ages 9-92 to smoke sOoOoOoo..the law doesnt realli help much with anything these days...
casssy
I use to smoke in 4th grade.. biggest mistake of my life.. I would share the story but I'd rather not.. sad.gif But I stopped! yay for me..
WhiteChocolate
QUOTE(dasturbd @ Apr 30 2004, 10:00 AM)
First of all I don't just "tell" my kids about the negative effects, I am honest with them. If being honest is a bad example...then sue me, but at least I'm not a hypocrit. I've smoked for the last 16 years...well before I had my kids and after that long to just "quit" is not as easy as your experimental stage (in which I see you chose the peer pressure way out). I have gone from 3 packs a day to 1 a day in the last 5 years, so don't sit there and attempt to degrade me as a parent when you don't even have a clue. When my kids ask me why I started smoking, i tell them the truth, that i wanted to see what all the hype was about and i liked it.. it wasn't until later on in life when I realised just how hard it is to quit.

Well good for you about being honest with your kids. I never questioned you as a parent. I was just wondering how you could tell your kids not to smoke and then turn around and light one up, is all _dry.gif . Don't go all ballistic. I never said that I would make a better parent, either. Seriously, you need not jump to conclusions like that. And I seriously have no idea what you mean about me choosing the "peer pressure way out". Makes no sense to me? Maybe it's because I'm so "young" huh.gif *scoff*......nah.

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I never once asked for pity in here because I smoked and I never once said that anyone was "picking" on me or smokers...I simply said that it was naive to categorize someone based on the fact that they smoke and that then means they are unintelligent and insecure.


I never said smokers were unintelligent and insecure. ermm.gif



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So you don't hang around with your smoking friends anymore then right??  Cuz you don't want them to give you cancer...so you cut all ties huh??  You also don't go out in the sun with anything less than spf 50 too I bet, or have never eaten fast food...because I know more people who have died  from congenital heart disease than those that got cancer from smoking.


Actually if one of my friends lights up around me, then I ask them not to smoke around me, or leave the room/area. Don't be getting sarcastic on me here. Your points are meaningless. The sun thing is seriously the stupidest thing I've ever heard in my life. That smoking/secondhand smoking causes cancer wasn't my only point. It also stinks and makes the smoker stink, even when they haven't smoked all day. It's as if it seeps from thier pores.

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I'll tell ya what, I won't blow smoke in your face as long as you don't blow smoke up my @ss.  You are all of 16 yrs. old...hardly wise enough to be giving me advice on my parenting skills.  Wait another 16 years and then talk to me about how bad of an example I am, after you yourself deal with decisions you've made in the past.  Unless of course you are the almighty perfect human who will never make a decision to do anything you may regret later in life.


You know what? I never questioned your skills as a parent whatsoever. Get over yourself. I don't care how old you are there's no need to diss me because I am 16. And how would you know how wise I am? You don't know me...I know plenty of teenagers much wiser than even some SEVENTY year olds, so wisdom has nothing to do with age. I never blew smoke up your ass, I just expressed to you what my opinion is, threw a question your way, and ended up with a rather pricky answer. Thanks so much. rolleyes.gif
Kathleen
QUOTE(tkproduce @ May 3 2004, 4:40 PM)
well exactly. so according to your argument, surely fast food should be banned in america if obesity is killing people

You need food to survive...you don't need smoking to. Besides, there are a heck of a lot more people that die from smoking than there are from obesity.
dasturbd
QUOTE(WhiteChocolate @ May 6 2004, 6:41 PM)
Well good for you about being honest with your kids. I never questioned you as a parent. I was just wondering how you could tell your kids not to smoke and then turn around and light one up, is all _dry.gif . Don't go all ballistic. I never said that I would make a better parent, either. Seriously, you need not jump to conclusions like that. And I seriously have no idea what you mean about me choosing the "peer pressure way out". Makes no sense to me? Maybe it's because I'm so "young" huh.gif *scoff*......nah.



I never said smokers were unintelligent and insecure. ermm.gif





Actually if one of my friends lights up around me, then I ask them not to smoke around me, or leave the room/area. Don't be getting sarcastic on me here. Your points are meaningless. The sun thing is seriously the stupidest thing I've ever heard in my life. That smoking/secondhand smoking causes cancer wasn't my only point. It also stinks and makes the smoker stink, even when they haven't smoked all day. It's as if it seeps from thier pores.



You know what? I never questioned your skills as a parent whatsoever. Get over yourself. I don't care how old you are there's no need to diss me because I am 16. And how would you know how wise I am? You don't know me...I know plenty of teenagers much wiser than even some SEVENTY year olds, so wisdom has nothing to do with age. I never blew smoke up your ass, I just expressed to you what my opinion is, threw a question your way, and ended up with a rather pricky answer. Thanks so much. rolleyes.gif

yes you did question me as a parent by saying that I am a bad example for them!

I also didnt say that YOU were the one that said smokers were unintelligent and insecure, it was merely my point from earlier posts

I don't need to "get over myself", I took your comment as it was written, I didn't read anything "into it" other than what it said.
CEP
Oh yeah, not planning to get into the debat, but I don't think there should be any smoking all together.
Mainly because I can't smoke. So I'm doing this out of spite.

- Chinkieeyedpnoi
swtxprincess
you should be able to smoke whenever u want its a free country even though ime totally an anti-smoker people should have tha right to do waht they want
Jordan Inc.
smokin should be illegal at any age, its considered as drugs and its bad for you _dry.gif
Kathleen
Yeah, but then...our economy would plummet and all hell would break loose, seeing as how many people are addicted already...ever heard of a little thing called prohibition?
casssy
damn.. i dont think it matters anymore.. kids dont listen to the legal smoking age.. if they wanna smoke theyll get it.. no matter where they are.. at my school theres fricken 12 year olds smoking.. its sad.. theres guys always selling cigs/drugs... so whatever the legal age it is... they wouldnt care. .theyll still find it
NostalgicRockChick
I don't think smoking should be banned because people are always going to do what they want to do no matter what. It's their choice. If they want to fill their lungs with goopy tar and die then... let them do it. I for one choose not to because I personally think smoking is disgusting. But you can't take away the freedom from other people that want to do it. Why people want to smoke.. i have no idea, but whatever, it's their choice.
Kathleen
Yes, but it affects others, as well. It affects those that care for him or her as well as the people surround him or her because they could die from second-hand smoking.
shortie09
smoking is bad for you...detrimental to your health.



hahahh, big word there.



and besides...



who would want to kiss you then if you smoked, eh? laugh.gif lol...
EmeraldKnight
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smoking is bad for you...detrimental to your health.

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who would want to kiss you then if you smoked, eh?  lol...

other smokers that dont mind _dry.gif

Anyways.. my two cents..
Personally, I believe that smoking should be banned for the wellbeing of the general population, but realistically, we all know that that can never happen.. there's too many ppl that smoke already.. too much money in the tobacco industry.. banning it.. simply wont happen.. I say we.. follow Canada's example (::gasp:: ohmy.gif ) and take advantage of it, by placing high taxes them; hey, it helps our economy, AND it dissuades potential smokers and it renders smokers broke after a while
jewishbabeygirl87
if is so bad for peole why is legal at all??

well let me tell you that governments care more about their economies than their people.

it should be illegal at any age. pinch.gif
ComradeRed
QUOTE(jewishbabeygirl87 @ May 25 2004, 5:40 PM)
if is so bad for peole why is legal at all??

well let me tell you that governments care more about their economies than their people.

it should be illegal at any age. pinch.gif

So your argument is that if something is bad for people, we should abolish it.

It is unquestionable that sitting at a computer typing on an Internet message board is bad for your health. Should we abolish that.

Fast food?
French fries?
Cell phones?
TVs?

If you actually did care about people, you'd care about their right to do whatever the hell they want.
JessJR1022
I think somoking is a complete waste of money. They are soo expensive and a lot of people go through a lot. It also makes them smell horrible. There should be more preventative measures to stop it, but it's kind aimpossible. Some people just dont care _dry.gif
ryfitaDF
i don't think anyone should smoke, i don't know why anyone does want to smoke. i mean if you wanna be cool stop being such an a******, if you wanna die use a gun, and if you need reliefe from stress do somthing about it.

what i don't get is why it's illegal to not wear a seatbelt. i mean if you crash in your car won't you pretty much die anyway? and if you lived, would you really want to? i mean, you were just in a car accident. you probly don't have legs that work anymore.
l_baybeexgrl_l
why would smoking be legal?? .. i mean seriously... the cigarette companys are literally KILLING you... so your willing to risk your life just inhaling burning tobacco smoke into your lungs and damage your system just for a minute of smoking? .. blahhhhhhhhh
Mini
QUOTE(l_baybeexgrl_l @ Jun 22 2004, 8:58 PM)
why would smoking be legal?? .. i mean seriously... the cigarette companys are literally KILLING you... so your willing to risk your life just inhaling burning tobacco smoke into your lungs and damage your system just for a minute of smoking? .. blahhhhhhhhh

i agree. well i voted >21. happy.gif
JlIaTMK
smoking at any age should be illegal.... i mean its horrible for u as it is.... especially second hand smoking
ComradeRed
A lot of things hurt your health. Doesn't mean they should be illegal.

People need to learn to take responsibility for themselves. The more we entrust to government, the more it will turn on us.
EmeraldKnight
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A lot of things hurt your health. Doesn't mean they should be illegal.

People need to learn to take responsibility for themselves. The more we entrust to government, the more it will turn on us.

BUT if it merely hurt the individual, then sure.. its alright.. the problem with smoking is that it hurts those around them.. second hand smoke kills
bigpoppaproppy
if theyre gonna ban all the stuff to do with what I like in life: steroids, pro-hormones, andro, ehpedrine, creatine(its next, guaranteed), etc etc...if theyre gonna ban all that stuff(thats ahwole nother debate i can go for hours on) then ban smoking

smoking IS dangerous to you and others
everything above is at MOST dangerous to yourself, and in most cases not even that if used properly
XaZnX07
heres when people are legal to smoke how bout never its so stupid _dry.gif











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ComradeRed
QUOTE(EmeraldKnight @ Jun 29 2004, 1:05 AM)
BUT if it merely hurt the individual, then sure.. its alright.. the problem with smoking is that it hurts those around them.. second hand smoke kills

That's a stretch.

Should we ban computers, because the radiation and electromagnetic fields they generate can cause brain cancer in people nearby?

By having a barbeque, I'm releasing nitrates into the air that could potentially cause lung cancer down the line. Certainly, we shouldn't abolish that?

Something should only be illegal if it is a clear and direct harm to others. Banning something that is indirectly harmful does more harm to the individual than whatever product is banned. You can strecth that as far as you want.
EmeraldKnight
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That's a stretch.

Should we ban computers, because the radiation and electromagnetic fields they generate can cause brain cancer in people nearby?

By having a barbeque, I'm releasing nitrates into the air that could potentially cause lung cancer down the line. Certainly, we shouldn't abolish that?

Something should only be illegal if it is a clear and direct harm to others. Banning something that is indirectly harmful does more harm to the individual than whatever product is banned. You can strecth that as far as you want.

The examples you provided are far less harmful than secondhand smoke.. secondhand smoke is a direct harm to others
ComradeRed
QUOTE(EmeraldKnight @ Jul 2 2004, 11:33 PM)
The examples you provided are far less harmful than secondhand smoke.. secondhand smoke is a direct harm to others

So is enforcing smoking laws.

Smoking is a victimless crime... the only way to enforce laws against it is to violate people's privacy.

I can understand you arguing that we should abolish smoking IN PUBLIC... buit if you want to abolish smoking entirely, that means that you are passing laws against a victimless private action... the only way to do that is to violate people's constitutional rights.

Violating individual rights is MUCH worse than secondhand smoke. Secondhand smoke MIGHT increase your chances of cancer by 1% 25 years down the line, but enforcing smoking laws could RUIN your life by putting you in jail and seizing all of your money -- just like the War on Drugs does.
saintsaens
10 seems reasonable. AFter-all, all it does is kill you off slowly.
EmeraldKnight
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So is enforcing smoking laws.

Smoking is a victimless crime... the only way to enforce laws against it is to violate people's privacy.

I can understand you arguing that we should abolish smoking IN PUBLIC... buit if you want to abolish smoking entirely, that means that you are passing laws against a victimless private action... the only way to do that is to violate people's constitutional rights.

Oh right, we shouldnt invade peoples privacy and make sure they dont smoke at home, its their life, their home.. but in public it affects all those around them..
ComradeRed
If you follow a strict definition of "public" I can live with that.

Restaurants, office buildings, stores, malls, hotels, etc. are NOT public... they are private facilities owned by the owner. The individual owner should be able to set their own guidelines for smoking.
EmeraldKnight
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Restaurants, office buildings, stores, malls, hotels, etc. are NOT public... they are private facilities owned by the owner. The individual owner should be able to set their own guidelines for smoking.

I suppose you're right.. but they should have areas set aside for smoking, or signs notifying nonsmoking/smoking.. I just realli get annoyed at breathing in second hand smoke while walking down the street.. that should not be allowed
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