Ehhh...someone walking around with my face after I'm dead...

No thanks. One person wearing this ugly thing is enough. ;)

I doubt they JUSt gonna sew it on, they prollies gonna operate it, considering you can't just placed a dead person's face on another one.
AND I'm SURE some of you guys look wonderfuly beautiful and all, but some people just aren't as lucky!
I've read this girl who got hit by and drunk driver, she survived but she look like an alien (I'm not being mean, but that's the only word i can describe her face, she is completely defigured)

-shrugs- some peoples might think this is a livesaver

I concur.

i just think thats morallly wrong. ugh...dead people?!!

it is disturbing, but think of it this way, what if someone really disfigured from an accident really needs a face transplant i mean yeah it'll be freaky to be wearing someone else's face and there are always what if's. but i guess it can be a good thing (i think) for someone who really needs it

You know, if you actually read the article, you might understand how it all goes.

it is disturbing, but think of it this way, if you actually read the prior posts, then you would have realized we established that point already

People have to stop trying to be something they're not. If you're not freaking original enough to make your own face, you deserve to be ugly.

If I ever transplant my face, I’ll be haunted by the spirit over a face.


I think it's a horrible idea to have a face transplant.
Even if you have a horrible face, it can be fixed.
Well, at least it’s better than your old face.

AGAIN.

IT ISN'T FOR UGLY PEOPLE. IT'S FOR BADLY BADLY BADLY DISFIGURED PEOPLE WHO ARE NO LONGER UGLY, BUT NOW ARE JUST SCARY.

WELL... I mean. In the strictest sense, disfigured people are "ugly" by definition. You hardly go, "wow, that disfigured person is really pretty". And I don't think disfiguration is scary much. It's tragic and unattractive... but scary? Nah.

That aside, I STILL don't see the point in stealing someone else's face. If we have the techniques to paste on someone's face on another person, we have the technique to build a new one.

edit: Oooo, I just read your old post. They wouldn't look the same, eh? You see.. that just changes everything. How misleading.

But my ugly=disfigured comment still stands.

No, building a new face is completely different from using an existing one. Where are you going to get all the skin and tissue it would take to build a new face? How are you going to shape it so there are no seams or scars? How are you going to build nerves so lips and eyelids function properly? All this is much harder to do than using an existing face.

The doctor's also aren't "stealing" someone else's face--the face was donated, just like an organ.

First of all.... you're taking "stealing" out of context. I meant stealing as in imitation, not theft. Secondly, I wasn't aware it wasn't in image-likeness. Last... you really think a face transplant wil result in no seams or scars? -_-;;

Well I didn't mean to be rude or anything, I was a bit frustrated. The part where you said "if you're not freaking original enough" put me off a bit, because they probably don't to be original, just normal-looking enough.

It depends how you define scary, of course. Children get scared. I got scared by a stupid Halloween mask when I was a kid. A victim of extreme burns does look shocking, though. Maybe not scary to some, but certainly shocking.

Maybe a thin mark around the outer edge, but nothing like completely building a new face from skin grafts.

Yea yea... I just felt I had to defend myself. Again, I didn't know they wouldn't look exactly alike. My apologies for missing that part.

If a face was built from existing skin grafts, it would be extremely difficult to find parts that would match each other well. You might end up looking like one of those collages of different parts of the face kids make in art class. If an entire face is used, then it is more whole and natural looking, without the mouth looking out of place and yeah.

You know, a transplant is rarely perfect. It's a risk in itself.



Granted, it's easier to use a whole face, but you can't say it'll be near flawless. (to mipadi)

I'm sorry, I don't recall saying it was nearly flawless. Probably because I didn't.

That seems pretty near flawless to me.

Nothing's flawless.

Right, but had you read what I wrote, I was comparing the growth of scar tissue between a face transplant and the (theoretical) use of skin grafts to build a new face. I didn't say anything about infection or rejection by the body, which is an issue with any transplant.

everytime i read the article i cringe. i wouldn't want to do that to myself

I saw it on Discovery Health Channel. They concluded that friends and family members of the face donor will not recognize their beloved's face on the patient. This is because of the differences in bone structure. The face may have similar qualities, but it will more likely be a combination of both the patient's original face and the cadaver's. This will, thus, create a new person.

Yes, the idea of using one person's face on someone else's is a bit unethical. However, so were heart transplants. People got over that pretty quickly.

Also, scars WILL exist, but not on the donated tissue, only on the patient. Theoretically, the entire face will be attatched, therefore scars would be along the hairline, ears, and under the neck.

And, when you really think about it, if you were living without a face for half your life, I don't think you'd care if you had scars. You'd be so ecstatic about being able to go out in public and not be stared for being different.

I think they should go ahead with it.

Rin-chan

Please... you didn't say anything about the growth of scar tissue. If you infer something, we're suppoed to read your mind? Comparitavely speaking, [to me] the two are just alternatives to each other. I don't necessarily believe one's better than the other. It's my opinion. I'm sorry if it disagrees with yours, but hey. Thats life.

You may want to look at this slideshow from the Discovery Health Channel website about the show they did. It shows the results of one partial face transplant (it was her own face which had been detatched and put back on) and a severly disfigured woman who is waiting for a face transplant.

This may disturb some viewers. Viewer discretion is advised.

Face Transplant slideshow

Rin-chan

I heard about this...sounds too risky and gross to me...

rinchan089 - Excellent link! Should open some eyes to the operation.

Well, it's more of skin than actually face I suppose...

That's messed up. Just wasting your money just to get a face of a dead person.

Not to be disagreeable, but actually, I did specifically mention scarring:

that is soooo creepy. who in the world would want to do that? not only the whole face transplant, but from a dead person?? oh my goodness...

Oh my god.

Gigi, Mipadi, and a couple of more members and I have tried to explain the procedure to you all. BUT YOU REFUSE TO READ.

Freaking ignoramuses.

^ You got that right.

Thanks! I had just seen the show on Discovery Health Channel like a week and a half ago and I see this thread! lol

And, really, if people actually read anything I or a few other members have said, they would be for the procedure as well.

I think they're just saying what all their friends are saying... You know, mob mentality. I didn't really have an opinion on this topic before I saw the show but I thought it would be unethical for someone to have someone else's face. Then they described the procedure and showed the one sucessful version of it and how they plan to do it and everything. When you think about it, putting anyone else's body part on someone else can be seen as unethical.

Doctors are now performing hand transplants. That's a dead guy's hand the patients are now using. But, I don't think it matters to them who's hand it is, as long as they can do everyday things.

I bet that if you didn't have a face, you would want the surgery too. I would post the picture of someone waiting for the surgery on here but I really don't want to have people make fun of her.

Just watch the slide show. It'll be very hard to say no to it afterwards.

Rin-chan

HAHAH INSTEAD OF TRADING SPACES IT WOULD BE TRADING FACES. wow thats creepy.

^^^ I didn't find that very funny...

Rin-chan

that would be kinda gross cuz somebody might think ur that dead person. haha

^ Oh dear.

felicia you dont need no face transplant you fine as hell anyway




i found it f**kin hilarious

uh yeah :/ won't a dead person's face be dehydrated and wrinkly anyway? But, they could probably fix that anyway. Scary; especially if somebody thinks you're some dead person

Reading the article will clarify both these issues: the face is just like an organ, in that it is "fresh"; and it is the bone and muscle of a face, not the skin, that determines how a person looks, so they will not look like the deceased donater.

Ugh. That is real nasty. Why would someone take something from the dead? Isnt that disrespectful?

shouldnt a dead person be left alone now since they're dead ? its jus my opinion ..

Reading the article will reveal that the face is not "taken"; it's donated, just like a kidney or a heart. It's no more disrespectful than using organs that a person has donated, which is not disrespectful at all.

Wow.... and that doesn't like sound debate. You're just telling us what's going on about it.


But what the heck, who wants a dead face? Well maybe some people do. Like Chuckie the Doll. LOL hahaha. KIDDING!

He's not real and he's a doll lol.

Anyways, but that sounds really scary. If my crush died. And someone was using my crush's face... OMG!!!!! I would be so terrified. But who knows, that guy might have different personality, a better personality ;] hahaha just kidding. But NO THAT'S MESSED UP!! -_-;;

READ THE GOD DAMN ARTICLE AND WATCH THE SLIDE SHOW. AFTER YOU'VE DONE BOTH, YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO MAKE A GOOD RESPONSE. Idiots.

I think it's wrong. Why should you alter your face features that you are borned with? WTH..this is eff up, geesss people should learn to live with what they have. Even if you are involved in a accident, it's too bad then.

^Borned isn't a word.

And what the hell does a dead person, who gave their consent for someone to use their body/face for science, need with a face?

No offense, but you are ignorant. The people who would be recieving face transplants have faces and bodies that can barely be considered human (no offense to them either, I'm fighting on their behalf). I'm sure if you were in their situation, you would give your life for a new face.

It's not your fault you were hit by a drunk driver when you were in your twenties and your car exploded into flames. After recieving second and third degree burns all over your body, having massive amounts of decaying skin removed, living through immense amounts of pain and suffering, and being forced to give up the bright future you longed for just because you don't look at all normal, I think you'd rather die than live another minute without a face.



Has anyone been reading ANYTHING that has been said in this conversation? Geez...

By what you have just said, you think that if your kidneys failed or you had congestive heart failure, you wouldn't have the right to recieve a new organ just because someone else isn't using it anymore.

My beloved, but sadly deceased, grandfather had many health problems later in life. He had 2 heart attacks, a lung removed, kidney failure and a heart transplant. If he didn't have the heart transplant when he did and was given 10 more years to live, he would never have seen my parents get married. He would never have have lived to see his grandchildren grow older. He would have missed out on what he would later call the best years of his life.

If he did not recieve a heart from a brain dead 17 year old boy who died soon after he drove into a tree, my grandfather would have died a week before my parents wedding. My life would be forever changed and so would everyone else he touched.

So, in conclusion, I believe it's okay to take from the dead if it will allow someone else to have a better quality of life.

Rin-chan