hi-C
Sep 19 2005, 12:33 PM
I'm not sure if this is right for debate so I'll post this here. If I'm wrong, I know a wonderful mod will put it in the right section
Doctors are going attempt a radical new surgery: a total face transplant. They're going to take the face of a dead person and put it on the face of someone (as of yet not selected) whose face was horribly disfigured in some accident. You can read the article
here.When I saw this I was like "Holy crap" and actually felt a little sick to my stomach. Is the desire to look nice worth risking your life? And then the whole thing about it being the face of a dead person... I think that's effed up.
What do you guys think?
mzkandi
Sep 19 2005, 02:01 PM
Why would anyone want a dead persons face.....

Thats more than disturbing. This topic could lead into a debate but I shall where this goes.
krnxswat
Sep 19 2005, 02:13 PM
QUOTE(Madame C @ Sep 19 2005, 12:33 PM)
Is the desire to look nice worth risking your life?
well you wouldn't know cause you don't have a disfigured face, do you?
cut it out.
jooleeah
Sep 19 2005, 02:19 PM
^
Aw, Seon Ho. :/
Anyway, that sounds kind of freaky. I wouldn't really want a dead person's face.
incoherent
Sep 19 2005, 02:41 PM
a dead persons face? whatever happened to just getting plastic surgery?
iheartjohn
Sep 19 2005, 02:45 PM
YESSSS.
Now I just have to wait until Rachel or Elba die.
xmkaex
Sep 19 2005, 02:57 PM

...dead person?!?!
canard bonaparte
Sep 19 2005, 03:14 PM
I imagine that the face would have to be from a fresh corpse.
You can't have the skin deteriorating.
For the person with the disfigured face, I don't think it's a matter of looking nice, I think it's a matter of looking "normal." I imagine the people wanting the face transplant are the ones that feel terribly out of place, so much so that they won't even go outside for fear of the reaction of others. I bet they also feel it's worth it to risk their life to feel "normal" and to see if it actually works, so that people with the same problem can know whether or not it works.
I don't know if it will work, but it's a nice idea.
Aoiro
Sep 19 2005, 03:57 PM
So very interesting.
But I would never have a dead person's face.
Even if they dies like, 10 minutes ago.
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LEGITERICJONES
Sep 19 2005, 04:15 PM
Yo, we need to hook you up with one. Just playing. Thats akward, How do they smile if its a dead persons face? Would they be able to control the cover persons flesh?
digital.fragrance
Sep 19 2005, 04:20 PM
oh that's just wrong.... but beyond that, imagine the adverse reactions... allergies, skin contaminants.... aka bacteria exclusive to that face..... oh my
Heathasm
Sep 19 2005, 04:26 PM
hey...reminds me of that movie face off...cool!
incoherent
Sep 19 2005, 04:31 PM
QUOTE(LEGITERICJONES @ Sep 19 2005, 4:15 PM)
Yo, we need to hook you up with one.
stop trying to act like seon ho. he already said that.
well, kiera editted it, but it's been said and it was just as stupid then as it is now...especially since you're really new.
Heewee
Sep 19 2005, 05:02 PM
I could see how that would be beneficial for people who have needed surgery upon surgery to reconstruct their face after something tragic has happened. However, I think it would be more than a bit strange to be walking around with somebody else's face on. Nobody would recognize you and people who may have known the dead person might get emotional or freaked out if they saw you. I think it may feel like you're walking around in somebody else's body, even though it's just their face. To add to all these facts, I think that there will be major health issues that somebody who is the recipient of a face transplant would have to face. Personally, I would rather be unique and be my own person that where somebody else's face.
LEGITERICJONES
Sep 19 2005, 05:26 PM
QUOTE(incoherent @ Sep 19 2005, 5:31 PM)
stop trying to act like seon ho. he already said that.
well, kiera editted it, but it's been said and it was just as stupid then as it is now...especially since you're really new.
Why would I want to be asian? I didn't even notice he said that and with my crappy internet it would take me 5 minutes to load the page.
AngryBaby
Sep 19 2005, 05:31 PM
QUOTE(incoherent @ Sep 19 2005, 5:31 PM)
stop trying to act like seon ho. he already said that.
well, kiera editted it, but it's been said and it was just as stupid then as it is now...especially since you're really new.
hes not trying to act like seon ho

believe or not he didnt invent bluntness, pssshht i said the same thing in my head.
but anywho, how can you wake up every morning, look in the mirror, and be happy with a dead persons face on yours? that would like, haunt me haha.
EmmalieV
Sep 19 2005, 05:59 PM
I dont want a dead persons identity
THINK ABOUT THIS;
when the dead persons family sees this person , theyll shit in their pants. I know I would. & even if the persons family give them permission it will still be weird.
^Oops for people thinking about what I thought.
QUOTE
Another form tells donor families that the person receiving the face will not resemble their dead loved one. The recipient should look similar to how he or she did before the injury because the new skin goes on existing bone and muscle, which give a face its shape.
JustAnotherTeenageLoser
Sep 19 2005, 06:04 PM
Ew, just...ew. That would be horrid. I think I'd rather have a disfigured face...
Oh, & for all the people that were talking about how you would look like the dead person & such- try actually read the artical before posting:
QUOTE
Another form tells donor families that the person receiving the face will not resemble their dead loved one. The recipient should look similar to how he or she did before the injury because the new skin goes on existing bone and muscle, which give a face its shape.
mipadi
Sep 19 2005, 06:10 PM
QUOTE(LEGITERICJONES @ Sep 19 2005, 5:15 PM)
Yo, we need to hook you up with one. Just playing. Thats akward, How do they smile if its a dead persons face? Would they be able to control the cover persons flesh?
They could still make facial expressions--the nerves in the new face work, and the existing muscle is kept.
technicolour
Sep 19 2005, 06:14 PM
^ Uh yeah.
Still. That's a bit on the GROSS-HURL-BLAH side.
AngryBaby
Sep 19 2005, 06:14 PM
ph, well if they use only the skin to fil in spots, thats not so horrid then
krnxswat
Sep 19 2005, 06:46 PM
QUOTE(LEGITERICJONES @ Sep 19 2005, 5:26 PM)
Why would I want to be asian?
THE QUESTION IS, WHY WOULDN'T YOU WANT TO BE ASIAN?!?!?!?!?! OH MY GAHHH
misskentucky
Sep 19 2005, 06:57 PM
I wouldn't want a deap person's face on my face. I'd just get reconstructive surgery, plastic surgery.
SandRAWRz
Sep 19 2005, 07:12 PM
ew taht is really disgusting
but how much does it pay?
eli5e
Sep 19 2005, 07:38 PM
ummmm ..that is really disturbing ..cause see if somone you know dies, and then someone who's opt in doing this takes their face.. .they'll be walking around in that person's face ..T_T
Nicolatofu
Sep 19 2005, 07:45 PM
I heard about that on the news this morning..
That's just a little disturbing. Maybe it's beneficial towards people who've went through something that damaged their face, but other than that, it's pretty freaky if you think about it.
stephinika
Sep 19 2005, 07:52 PM
^^
agreed. that sounds...interesting.

quite. it seems a bit...odd to me i think. *shrug*
suddenly she
Sep 19 2005, 07:57 PM
i want to be king tut!
that's actually sorta creepy.
Hiphop d[-_-]b
Sep 19 2005, 08:59 PM
Putting a dead persons face on your face is messing with the afterlife. They could be cursed or something.
At least, thats what i think :D
EXPLO5ION
Sep 19 2005, 09:27 PM
That... is really creepy. who would wan't a dead person's face?
haleakala1
Sep 19 2005, 10:57 PM
if i was like a burn victim or something horrific happened to my face i'd probably do it. but i don't, it's a little disturbing though....
Gigi
Sep 19 2005, 11:04 PM
I know how you guys all feel about putting a deceased person's face on yourself and becoming that person's face...but actually, I saw a documentary on this a while ago in Hong Kong talking about these very issues. I think it was BBC doc, not sure, though.
It creeped me out, but not as much as the documentary about that guy from Germany or whatever who does those world-wide tours of preserved dead bodies from vacuumed plastic or whatever. He cuts the bodies into sheets with like, a band saw butchers use and...okay. It was just way more disturbing than this.
Anyway, of course the scientists have thought about these problems...how would people feel to have the face of someone else? So they did some tests on dead people.
They swapped the faces of two corpses and gave the original and swapped photos to other scientists to inspect. If you saw this person on the street, would you know that was him?
All of the scientists answered no. Because the human face is different, and just because the skin and flesh is the same, doesn't mean the bone is the same either.
You don't have to worry about people walking in the streets and seeing their grandfather who died 2 years ago on a face of a totally different person.
It was an interesting documentary, though, watch it.
aznxdreamer
Sep 19 2005, 11:17 PM
hmm..thats pretty interesting. i would understand if someone wanted to do that. and in the article they mentioned that they wont look like the person that died but more like themselves before they became disfigured. if my face was all screwed up id do it.
starlette
Sep 20 2005, 01:56 AM
QUOTE(mzkandi @ Sep 19 2005, 2:01 PM)
Why would anyone want a dead persons face.....

Thats more than disturbing. This topic could lead into a debate but I shall where this goes.
Yeah. Its a little weird. Like imagine you are Britney spears' family, and she dies. Then some random person pays a bazillion dollars for her face. Then her new son (who would be older now) has finally gotten over the heartbreak of losing his mother and *poof* he sees her walking down the street. Imagine the horrible nightmares and hospital visits its owuld take to get over that type of crap.
whomps
Sep 20 2005, 02:51 AM
Dude, imagine if you were a family member of that dead person.. Wow. That's horrible.
gelionie
Sep 20 2005, 05:37 AM
If I because horrible disfigured, I'd rather stay as that than having a dead person's face transplanted onto mine.
I don't think anyone would want their dead relatives/friends' faces on a living person either.
Ington
Sep 20 2005, 05:48 AM
QUOTE(gigiopolis @ Sep 19 2005, 11:04 PM)
I know how you guys all feel about putting a deceased person's face on yourself and becoming that person's face...but actually, I saw a documentary on this a while ago in Hong Kong talking about these very issues. I think it was BBC doc, not sure, though.
It creeped me out, but not as much as the documentary about that guy from Germany or whatever who does those world-wide tours of preserved dead bodies from vacuumed plastic or whatever. He cuts the bodies into sheets with like, a band saw butchers use and...okay. It was just way more disturbing than this.
Anyway, of course the scientists have thought about these problems...how would people feel to have the face of someone else? So they did some tests on dead people.
They swapped the faces of two corpses and gave the original and swapped photos to other scientists to inspect. If you saw this person on the street, would you know that was him?
All of the scientists answered no. Because the human face is different, and just because the skin and flesh is the same, doesn't mean the bone is the same either.
You don't have to worry about people walking in the streets and seeing their grandfather who died 2 years ago on a face of a totally different person.
It was an interesting documentary, though, watch it.
THANK YOU. I love you Gigi.
People. You are not going to look like the dead person. The skin and tissue that is going to be used is from a corpse. Although it sounds weird, its much better than having it be synthetic, because it could look really weird or cause allergies. Also, you won't have freaking maggots crawling out of you or anything.
ONCE AGAIN, FREAKING HELL, YOU WON'T LOOK LIKE THE DECEASED PERSON.Calm down.
I think its horrible how you people can take horribly disfigured people and be disgusted because they want to look good, or even humanlike.
You people have to read the article before posting. This is happening too much here.
xquizit
Sep 20 2005, 09:03 AM
QUOTE(gigiopolis @ Sep 19 2005, 11:04 PM)
All of the scientists answered no. Because the human face is different, and just because the skin and flesh is the same, doesn't mean the bone is the same either.
You don't have to worry about people walking in the streets and seeing their grandfather who died 2 years ago on a face of a totally different person.
Well, then that's a relief. It's a bit creepy but I guess I understand why it could be useful. I just hope that people don't abuse it.
emazing
Sep 20 2005, 09:29 AM
That's gross. o_O
Would people really want a deceased person's facial features on their face?
I wouldn't.
misoshiru
Sep 20 2005, 10:09 AM
QUOTE(mzkandi @ Sep 20 2005, 3:01 AM)
Why would anyone want a dead persons face.....

Thats more than disturbing. This topic could lead into a debate but I shall where this goes.
i agree. even though someone's face was disfigured, why would they want a face of a dead person?
hi-C
Sep 20 2005, 12:41 PM
QUOTE(ermfermoo @ Sep 20 2005, 6:48 AM)
People. You are not going to look like the dead person. The skin and tissue that is going to be used is from a corpse. Although it sounds weird, its much better than having it be synthetic, because it could look really weird or cause allergies. Also, you won't have freaking maggots crawling out of you or anything.
Yeah, but there's also the possibility that your body might reject the new tissue placed on your "face." IMO, it'd be better to graft skin or clone skin cells to be used on your face. Far less chance of rejection.
Chii
Sep 20 2005, 12:55 PM
QUOTE(Heewee @ Sep 19 2005, 6:02 PM)
people who may have known the dead person might get emotional or freaked out if they saw you. I think it may feel like you're walking around in somebody else's body, even though it's just their face. i agree...even if you don't completely look like that person anymore, there will probably be some characteristics left, like birthmarks or moles.
QUOTE(Hiphop d[-_-)
b,Sep 19 2005, 9:59 PM]Putting a dead persons face on your face is messing with the afterlife. They could be cursed or something.
At least, thats what i think :D
that's possible, like homer's hair transplant on the simpsons
not everyone's skin tone matches so that would be a major problem...i saw this man who got a deceased person's hand/part of arm attatched to him...that was really disturbing because it was really obvious that it was not originally his arm
xcaitlinx
Sep 20 2005, 08:05 PM
umm..i'm gunna go BARF now. wow, it's sad how pathetic some people are that they'll go to that extreme to live up to other people's standards.
psshhht. damn society.
who the hell would want a dead, maybe even old person's face? that doens't even make sense. are they going to like sew it on? Ew.. i dont want to even think about HOW they would put it on you.
Gigi
Sep 21 2005, 02:48 AM
QUOTE(Madame C @ Sep 20 2005, 10:41 AM)
Yeah, but there's also the possibility that your body might reject the new tissue placed on your "face." IMO, it'd be better to graft skin or clone skin cells to be used on your face. Far less chance of rejection.
Yeah, that's why you have to take anti-rejection medication for the rest of your life. Which has side-effects like some liver disease or cancer (something like that).
I think that if you graft skin or clone skin cells on someone with really disfigured features...it wouldn't do them much good. I mean, their face is already so badly burned. I dunno. They probably have looked for other ways to improve someone's facial features...but they decided this was best?
QUOTE(xcaitlinx @ Sep 20 2005, 6:05 PM)
umm..i'm gunna go BARF now. wow, it's sad how pathetic some people are that they'll go to that extreme to live up to other people's standards.
psshhht. damn society.
who the hell would want a dead, maybe even old person's face? that doens't even make sense. are they going to like sew it on? Ew.. i dont want to even think about HOW they would put it on you.
Anyway, I am NOT liking how some people are very closed-minded and ignorant in this discussion (NOT directed at Carrie, I love her very much and that was a respectful opinion with good backup).
Listen. People are not doing this to "live up" to society's standards. The truth is, these people have simply STOPPED becoming part of the society due to this disfigurement! That's why you guys should've seen the documentary, really. They interviewed the woman from Russia or somewhere who got her face badly, and I mean badly, burned. She was so beautiful before, but now she looks like a monster.
How would you feel? Most people would be ready to kill themselves right then and there. But not this lady. She was strong, and it was miraculous enough that she lived through it. Sure, she's independent. But she's not social. She can't go outside without people staring and pointing, and without children getting scared. She can't communicate with the outside world and has simply lost that communication with the society altogether. She is no longer a part of it.
If being burned wasn't punishment enough, now she's being banished by people because of this burn. Now how do you feel? Would you rather stick a dead person's face on yourself and regain that little bit of dignity and respect that you deserve? Or be looked at like a zoo animal for the rest of your life while still recovering from the physical and mental pain of the accident?
And about how the procedure works and "why" you would want a dead person's face on you, I am not even thinking of answering that for you.
And you know, this procedure isn't going to be used by average looking people to look not so average. This procedure is highly risky and dangerous, and is only prescribed for those who need it to seriously improve their quality of life.
It is for those badly burned, cut, scraped, you name it, in rare accidents that make them disfigured and terrifying to look at. NOT the geeky girl in your math class who longs for attention.
mouse_3k
Sep 21 2005, 10:37 AM
thats so wrong. Dead people deserve respect with their face. if people dont like their face, they can get over it. No need to take a face of someone dead.
mipadi
Sep 21 2005, 10:59 AM
QUOTE(mouse_3k @ Sep 21 2005, 11:37 AM)
thats so wrong. Dead people deserve respect with their face. if people dont like their face, they can get over it. No need to take a face of someone dead.
They're not "taking" it--the face has been donated, just like an organ.
Rachel
Sep 21 2005, 05:13 PM
Gigi=Love.
Anything and everything I had to say about the topic and to the responses has been covered by this lovely woman. Read what she says before you idiots post any thing.
Cwlplover
Sep 21 2005, 05:19 PM
Ummm...I'd rather be ugly then look like a dead person. That's just weird...I mean, really? I could walk in and be like, "My grandma just died...Could I like, have her face?" uhhh...no thanks.
I'll keep my face. That's not a good idea. I mean, let's say someone close to you died, and a few months later you see this person walking down the street that looks JUST like them, but it's not them, it's another person wearing their face! That's just nasty. ehhh
danielle_x3
Sep 21 2005, 05:22 PM
i wouldn't want to do that.. and i don't think i'd want to donate either. i think it's disgusting >_<
iNyCxShoRT
Sep 21 2005, 05:24 PM
Oh wow that is SO creepy. Ripping off your face and putting on a dead guys face. -.-
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