latinprep12
Sep 10 2005, 10:22 AM
Well was he? There appears to be nothing in the bible to suggest otherwise. I ask this as a
serious question as it would throw so much light on current issues and debates about homosexuality.
This is in no way intended to offended Christians...it is a serious search for some truth. There is certainly nothing I can see in the bible that indicates that he was Heterosexual and homosexuality was widely practised at the time. It also interest me that of the twelve chosen to be his disciples they were all men.
Maybe someone can put me right on some biblical knowledge. But I cannot find a single passage where he sees women as 'desireable' and yet he is always on the lookout for men 'A fisher of men'.
Your thoughts would be appreciated.

and yes this is a serious topic
technicolour
Sep 10 2005, 10:24 AM
Have you read
The DaVinci Code by Dan Brown?
http://www.randomhouse.com/doubleday/davinci/read that. See if that makes any sense.
.....I have a feeling this may turn into a discussion about that book...
latinprep12
Sep 10 2005, 10:29 AM
^ I seen the book before in the stores and never thought any of it, but im gonna buy it to read it
mipadi
Sep 10 2005, 10:35 AM
Jesus may have had something going on with Mary Magdalene; at any rate, I doubtful He was a homosexual. I've never seen anything to suggest that that is the case.
Of course, Jesus' sexuality does not play a major part of anything in the Bible, which would help explain why it is not mentioned.
technicolour
Sep 10 2005, 10:36 AM
Read It.
I'll give you the sparks notes.
There is this secret soceity who claims that Jesus and Mary Magdelane [i have no clue how to spell it] were "romantic". And they had a child...
there's like tons more to it..
Just read the book.
The book is quite controversial as well...but bah what isn't
Ok, wait, why would Jesus be gay when he condems Homoesexuality in the bible?
mipadi
Sep 10 2005, 10:39 AM
QUOTE(sprinkle-the-stars @ Sep 10 2005, 11:36 AM)
Ok, wait, why would Jesus be gay when he condems Homoesexuality in the bible?
Does He condemn homosexuality in the Bible?
technicolour
Sep 10 2005, 10:43 AM
Hold on...i'll look it up
QUOTE(http://www.bridges-across.org/ba/wink.htm)
Putting these texts to the side, we are left with three references, all of which unequivocally condemn homosexuality. Leviticus 18:22 states the principle: "You [masculine] shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination." The second (Lev. 20:13) adds the penalty: "If a man lies with a male as a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall be put to death, their blood is upon them."
Such an act was considered as an "abomination" for several reasons. The Hebrew prescientific understanding was that male semen contained the whole of nascent life. With no knowledge of eggs and ovulation, it was assumed that the woman provided only the incubating space. Hence the spilling of semen for any procreative purpose -- in coitus interruptus (Gen 38:1-11), male homosexual acts or male masturbation -- was considered tantamount to abortion or murder. (Female homosexual acts and masturbation were consequently not so seriously regarded.) One can appreciate how a tribe struggling to populate a country in which its people were outnumbered would value procreation highly, but such values are rendered questionable in a world facing total annihilation through overpopulation.
Paradox of Life
Sep 10 2005, 12:14 PM
Nowhere in the Bible does it state that he is homosexual. Nowhere in the Bible does it state that he is heterosexual. I think it's safe to assume he was heterosexual since it seems homosexuality is condemned... And even so, I don't think it matters. God doesn't partake in relationships.
AngryBaby
Sep 10 2005, 01:55 PM
i agree^ wow some uber religous people like my aunt would have a heart attack if they saw this haha. but didnt he have something goin' on with mary magdeline?
Paradox of Life
Sep 10 2005, 02:17 PM
^ Ooh. Jesus has a crush. -sings and dances around- Wait? Where is this happening? Why is there relgious gossip? I'm confused!! [/stupidity]
AngryBaby
Sep 10 2005, 02:19 PM
Jesus and mary sittin' in a tree,
oh my, that was probably the most blasphemous thing i ever said haha. [sorry jesus] curse you family guy!
SillyCourtney
Sep 10 2005, 02:26 PM
QUOTE(mipadi @ Sep 10 2005, 10:39 AM)
Does He condemn homosexuality in the Bible?
Jesus didn't, but God did in Leviticus.
And the secret society mentioned in The Da Vinci Code is the Priory of Sion.
ParanoidAndroid
Sep 10 2005, 02:30 PM
I don't think Jesus is gay. In the Davinci code, it said something about him having something going on with Mary Magdalene but I don't believe any of the facts that Jesus is gay or had any affair with Mary Magdalene. Even if Jesus is gay, it doesn't really matter to me. But I believe when I read te bible, the reasons were elaborated on why Jesus let the 12 disciples be his disciples. At first they followed him and then Jesus questioned them of their faith and when they passed he renamed them. I don't think the reason to why he has 12 disciples that consist of men has anything to do with Jesus being gay.
Paradox of Life
Sep 10 2005, 02:41 PM
The Da Vinci Code is fake. It's a fiction novel. Have any of you read Cracking The Da Vinci Code? Don't take a fiction novel seriously. The 'facts' and 'subliminal messages' presented in it are mostly lies to make the book seem more interesting.
AngryBaby
Sep 10 2005, 02:42 PM
but they did somethingon the discovery channel about it and the holy grale type thingy.
latinprep12
Sep 10 2005, 02:43 PM
^x2 Thats why I <3 her. shes so smart and can probably be in college right now. well i wanna know more or who to believe and what book should i read?
Shahin
Sep 10 2005, 03:02 PM
QUOTE(latinprep12 @ Sep 10 2005, 11:43 AM)
^x2 Thats why I <3 her. shes so smart and can probably be in college right now. well i wanna know more or who to believe and what book should i read?

Read the Da Vinci Code, simply because It's an amazingly good book. Then read Cracking the Da Vinci Code. It all suddenly makes sense. And no, Jesus was not a homosexual. Damn.
Comptine
Sep 10 2005, 04:12 PM
^ well the uproar might equal to what happened when historians concluded that there was no way for jesus to be white.they concluded (a majority) that jesus had to be either arab/mix of the different people around the area but definitely not white.
the disciples were all men because at that time, women were not allowed to have any type of significant role. jesus wouldn't be gay. most likely, celibate (sp?) or something.
technicolour
Sep 10 2005, 06:20 PM
QUOTE(AkaRyux @ Sep 10 2005, 2:41 PM)
The Da Vinci Code is fake. It's a fiction novel. Have any of you read
Cracking The Da Vinci Code? Don't take a fiction novel seriously. The 'facts' and 'subliminal messages' presented in it are mostly lies to make the book seem more interesting.
Alright. Maybe I should have said this before. I KNOW IT IS FAKE. IT IS A LOAD OF PROPAGANDA. I've read Pastor's "rebuittles" to the books, and their's make more sense, for what i believe and my own curiousity.
I was merely using that as an
example that some people think he was more than just Jesus... Other people think he is other things...
Catch my drift?
What I would like to know, and this is directed more towards Max, but, what made you wonder this exactly? I mean..it just seemed so
random.
Paradox of Life
Sep 10 2005, 06:42 PM
QUOTE(latinprep12 @ Sep 10 2005, 1:43 PM)
^x2 Thats why I <3 her. shes so smart and can probably be in college right now. well i wanna know more or who to believe and what book should i read?

Lol .. Erm, should this topic be closed? It doesn't really seem to be a debate since everyone's on the same side pretty much.
Oh and btw, I did my cousin's algebra homework correctly and he's a Junior (11th) in advanced classes.
technicolour
Sep 10 2005, 06:46 PM
Algebra is fun. It's a hella lot easier than Gemoetry.
...and you're 12?!
oh. my. god.
You should come here. You could skip grades. My friend is taking pre-cal and she's like 15?
Max: What exactly made you wonder this? I wanna know before this gets closed...which may be soon.
latinprep12
Sep 10 2005, 06:51 PM
umm its called boredom and well i was just wondering and today's a sunday so i read some parts from the bible, and i <3 the debate forum, it shows who knows what and who doesnt and im really impress, by katt and you and that mipadi guy. you guys are smart. katt is so perfect and she probably be running for president soon, and i bet her husband will never win a debate in her house. alot of couch sleeping for him if he tries to act smart. haha
technicolour
Sep 10 2005, 06:53 PM
Out of sheer boredom?
Hmph..
Katt. If you run for President. And you are running for the right reasons. You got my vote.
...and I'm really bad at this debate stuff. I can never really write exactly what i'm trying to say. something gets lost between the head and the hands.
Gigi
Sep 10 2005, 06:56 PM
Okay, now you all are just bordering on spam. Let's keep the topic about how Jesus is gay/not gay. Thank you.
Paradox of Life
Sep 10 2005, 07:11 PM
QUOTE(sprinkle-the-stars @ Sep 10 2005, 5:53 PM)
Katt. If you run for President. And you are running for the right reasons. You got my vote.
Thanks. I'll use my power of manipulation to get people to send cookies to you daily.
Okay, so this won't be spam, I'll take the side of homosexual to keep it runnin'.
Imagine if the people who wrote the Bible really did include subliminal messages. I don't mean to say anything disrespectful, but maybe they intended to hide something in there that could be later discovered if people read close enough and read carefully enough. I mean the Bible has A LOT and if you can interpret certain things correctly it could lead you in a different direction. Maybe the fact that homosexuality seems to be condemned could be like a diversion to drive away from the reason that Jesus may have been homosexual. It's not mainstream and I suppose it could've been a coverup. No one knows exactly what happened and there are no definite facts, so there's an equal chance to him being homosexual as he could be hetereosexual.
Homosexuality exists. Why is it so unlikely that Jesus was homosexual? There is no definite fact that he ever had a relationship. Homosexuality is a variation of the mind and should never be condemned if God wanted to treat everyone equally.
Again, I'm not Christian, so sorry if my facts are unclear.
suddenly she
Sep 10 2005, 07:19 PM
as a christian, for me, Jesus = God.
and God.. doesn't ... have sex with anyone.
oh, bafflement.
Spirited Away
Sep 10 2005, 07:21 PM
QUOTE(suddenly she @ Sep 10 2005, 7:19 PM)
Jesus = God.
and God.. doesn't ... have sex with anyone.
that's what i'm thinking.
ComradeRed
Sep 10 2005, 08:35 PM
I'm pretty sure Jesus was beyond sexual desire...
dancerellie714
Sep 10 2005, 09:32 PM
Jesus had desciples that were all men because women were ment to stay and have families and the desciples all traveled around. that one time when Jesus talked to the woman at the well he could have been greatly punished and she could have been accused of adultury (i had to have spelled that wrong) and stoned. back then it wouldnt have been socially exceptable for Jesus to have a pack of woman with him all the time.
Jesus's sexual preference will always be assumed hetero because the bible condones homosexuality and the bible also says that Jesus lived a sinless life. it's because Jesus was sinless that his death on the cross was 'the ultimate sacrifice'. and at any rate, in the world today when you "like someone" or you're "attracted to someone" you are lusting after them. Lust is yet another thing condoned in the bible and so Jesus didnt do it.
bellpepper
Sep 11 2005, 12:56 AM
QUOTE(suddenly she @ Sep 10 2005, 4:19 PM)
as a christian, for me, Jesus = God.
and God.. doesn't ... have sex with anyone.
oh, bafflement.
I agree. Jesus never sinned during his time on this earth. He's perfect. So theres no way he could be a homosexual. Becuase homosexuality is a sin. That would be going agaisnt his own word.
marfmallow
Sep 11 2005, 12:29 PM
One, this is pointless because there is no way of proving right or wrong since all we can base our points on is pure belief. There's no such thing as pure truth. I'm a hardcore believer in God, but then again I am not completely sure my beliefs are right, I just have faith in them.
Two, let's forget what I just said for a minute and keep on-track. Jesus was not heterosexual or homosexual or anysexual. Jesus was sent to this earth for the sole purpose of teaching and saving our souls from being condemned forever. I think I spelled that wrong maybe, blah blah blah. The crap with Mary Magdalene [or however it's spelled because I'm thinking of the Spanish spelling but that's not important right now] is most probably not true. She might've liked him, but he was not capable of liking her back, due to the fact that he wasn't sent to this world to live a regular human life. That and... how could he have kids? nonono.
Three, I hate when people try to act like smartasses to try to prove themselves better than others, and there's one girl in this forum that just gets on my nerves but I'll remain silent as of who she is. No it's not the really smart 12-yr-old, I think she's pretty cool.
Ok. I think I'm done, even though I could be forgetting half of what I wanted to say. [:
mishyerr
Sep 11 2005, 01:23 PM
...I'm not Christian, but if Jesus was gay.. than wouldn't defeat the whole purpose of why God said 'homosexuality is wrong?' (Which I don't believe, but...)
I don't think Jesus was gay. and him looking for men wasn't for sexual purposes, it was for him to teach what he was teaching.
mzkandi
Sep 11 2005, 01:54 PM
QUOTE(marfmallow @ Sep 11 2005, 1:29 PM)
One, this is pointless because there is no way of proving right or wrong since all we can base our points on is pure belief.
Thus, the beauty of debate.
Something I found that was interesting. For those that question why a debate like this would come into question.
http://www.postfun.com/pfp/homosexual.html#scripturehomoQUOTE
But Scripture never condemns homosexual behavior by itself. It is condemned when practicing idolatry or sacred prostitution. It is condemned when promoting promiscuity. It is condemned when forcing violent rape or seducing children. And it is condemned when violating a guests' right to dignity as a male.
Also, Scriptural references only speak of homosexual acts - not homosexual people. Not until the Revised Standard Version of the Bible (revised from the King James version in 1885) do we find references to homosexuals themselves. These occur in translating the Greek words "malakoi" and "arsenokoitai" in Paul's letters.
Never is the issue of homosexual behavior between loving, homosexual partners addressed in Scripture. The reason is simple: biblical cultures did not have knowledge of homosexuality as a psychological identity. In biblical times homosexuality was known only by the acts people committed, not as a sexual personality. A person born heterosexual assumed homosexual acts to be something people did for dominance or in perversion of their inner identity.
Scripture and Homosexuality
Jesus homo? I still personally think not. There are numerous scriptures I could quote but if you all that interested go pick up the bible for yourself.
suddenly she
Sep 11 2005, 04:01 PM
i think an interesting question would be, do homosexual acts make homosexual people (in biblical times)?
probably not nowadays, since there are tons of people goofing around at school, but anyway.
opinions, please.
as for me, 26B-27A sound as if they aren't just acts. in 27B, they say acts, but they say relations before. acts seem to be encompassed by relations, if you ask me.
QUOTE
26Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. 27In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.
romans 1:26-27, NIV
biblegateway.com

sorry if this is branching off a bit.
mai_z
Sep 11 2005, 04:05 PM
QUOTE
i think an interesting question would be, do homosexual acts make homosexual people (in biblical times)?
I think that to people in biblical times, it was the homosexual acts that were condemned and not the people. However, I'm only saying this because from what i've seen, it's the acts that were condemned, and they didn't seem to recognise homosexuality as a state of being, but rather a lustful idea.
Shahin
Sep 11 2005, 05:50 PM
Jesus is not God. He was a completely normal human being (normal, of course, relating to the divinity issue). Normality includes sexual desire. Now, I'm pretty sure that Jesus was not a homo, but I think it is entirely possible that he had feelings for a female, very possibly Mary Magdalene. I don't know where you all are coming from saying that he was a living God, and that he didn't have any purpose on this Earth except saving us all from condemnation. Oh, the Bible, right.
Jesus was a good guy. He was an important Prophet, maybe the most important, and this is coming from a Muslim. But God? Or even the son of God? Don't make me laugh. If that's the case, then one can dispute that Muhammad was God's cousin twice removed.
It's as laughable as saying Jesus was white.**
**OH DRAMA!!
technicolour
Sep 11 2005, 06:00 PM
QUOTE(AkaRyux @ Sep 10 2005, 7:11 PM)
Thanks. I'll use my power of manipulation to get people to send cookies to you daily.
I like cookies. Especially Oreo's. But anyways.
QUOTE(Shahin)
Jesus is not God
That sentence right there has been up for debate since like, ever. Whether Jesus was God, or is the Son of God.
Why would Jesus be homosexual when the Bible, who was written by God, through men, says homosexuality is a no-no?
Why are all the pastors fighting against legalizing Gay Marriage?
The Bible says it's a no-no.
Shahin
Sep 11 2005, 06:18 PM
QUOTE(sprinkle-the-stars @ Sep 11 2005, 3:00 PM)
That sentence right there has been up for debate since like, ever. Whether Jesus was God, or is the Son of God.
Or whether Jesus is neither the Son of God nor God himself, or if he was simply a man, a prophet. Why didn't you list that as a choice?
QUOTE
Why would Jesus be homosexual when the Bible, who was written by God, through men, says homosexuality is a no-no?
The Bible was written by Men, through Jesus, over 500 years after his death.
sadolakced acid
Sep 11 2005, 06:40 PM
QUOTE(sprinkle-the-stars @ Sep 10 2005, 6:53 PM)
Out of sheer boredom?
Hmph..
Katt. If you run for President. And you are running for the right reasons. You got my vote.
...and I'm really bad at this debate stuff. I can never really write exactly what i'm trying to say. something gets lost between the head and the hands.
how about meeee
do i get your vote?
i'd be running in order to wrest power from the people and set up a society bent on conquering the mutant fiends on mars.
QUOTE(suddenly she @ Sep 10 2005, 7:19 PM)
as a christian, for me, Jesus = God.
and God.. doesn't ... have sex with anyone.
oh, bafflement.
errr...
didn't god the father impregnate the young girl mary?
technicolour
Sep 11 2005, 06:43 PM
Immaculately conceived. However that is spelled.
Justin: If I get cookies, psh, i'll vote. Just dont tell my Weight Watchers lady.
Shanin: He couldn't have been simply a man. A normal man can't be brought back to life. I forgot the fancy term.
So what it was over 500 years? My math book was written by men about 10 years ago. Wow.
Paradox of Life
Sep 11 2005, 08:18 PM
I know this might be random, but if God created homosexuality, why does he condemn it?
Spirited Away
Sep 11 2005, 08:19 PM
QUOTE(Shahin @ Sep 11 2005, 5:50 PM)
um, what? have you ever heard of the trinity? no? strange.
QUOTE(AkaRyux @ Sep 11 2005, 8:18 PM)
I know this might be random, but if God created homosexuality, why does he condemn it?
nature v nurture debate
dancerellie714
Sep 11 2005, 08:26 PM
QUOTE(AkaRyux @ Sep 11 2005, 9:18 PM)
I know this might be random, but if God created homosexuality, why does he condemn it?
he gave man the choice of free will.
if we put this in
extreme terms...it's like saying "god created murderers so why would he condemn them?"
Spirited Away
Sep 11 2005, 08:30 PM
QUOTE(dancerellie714 @ Sep 11 2005, 8:26 PM)
he gave man the choice of free will.
if we put this in
extreme terms...it's like saying "god created murderers so why would he condemn them?"
i really don't want this to go off topic so i apologize in advance, but free choice is what makes Man evil. It's a double edged sword.
Paradox of Life
Sep 11 2005, 08:36 PM
QUOTE(dancerellie714 @ Sep 11 2005, 7:26 PM)
he gave man the choice of free will.
if we put this in
extreme terms...it's like saying "god created murderers so why would he condemn them?"
Didn't He also want to treat all men equally despite their differences? Wouldn't He know it's just a mental variance? Homosexuality isn't a
choice.
suddenly she
Sep 11 2005, 08:38 PM
QUOTE(sadolakced acid @ Sep 11 2005, 7:40 PM)
how about meeee
do i get your vote?
i'd be running in order to wrest power from the people and set up a society bent on conquering the mutant fiends on mars.
errr...
didn't god the father impregnate the young girl mary?
i said this before, but i'm not catholic, so anyone who wants to jump in, jump in.
jesus was a miracle. yes, the holy spirit gave jesus to mary, but it doesn't mean the holy spirit had sex with mary.
and shahin. eh. i guess we just have different beliefs on that, so i don't think it would have much use saying "jesus = prophet" and "jesus = God" over and over. it just doesn't seem too productive.

or blah happened and blah didn't happen, for that matter.
sprinkle-the-stars: coughcoughcoughcoughcoughresurrected.
dancerellie714
Sep 11 2005, 09:08 PM
QUOTE(AkaRyux @ Sep 11 2005, 9:36 PM)
Didn't He also want to treat all men equally despite their differences? Wouldn't He know it's just a mental variance? Homosexuality isn't a
choice.
do you know for a fact whether homosexuality is a choice or not? that's a who other debate in itself.
Spirited Away
Sep 11 2005, 09:10 PM
QUOTE(dancerellie714 @ Sep 11 2005, 9:08 PM)
do you know for a fact whether homosexuality is a choice or not? that's a who other debate in itself.
i think the point katt was making is that it's NOT a known fact. it is controversy and that's why it's not fair to just say God gave free will and be done with it.
dancerellie714
Sep 11 2005, 09:14 PM
okay i see what you're saying fae...but i think katt actually was meaning that as a fact...just by the way she wrote it so plainly.
Spirited Away
Sep 11 2005, 09:24 PM
uh, yea.. i see that now, sorry. the last sentence is rather emphasized.
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