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disco infiltrator
QUOTE(andromeda_90 @ Oct 23 2005, 5:30 PM)
Um, there are a LOT of other holidays that are accepted, for example, Hannukah (sp?), Rosh Hasanah (sp? sorry terrible at spelling for jewish holiday cry.gif ), and etc, but I don't think it's unfair that there are christian holidays that are being recognized by America. Afterall, no one is complaining about it and life is just okay for now. In fact, American celebrates any special holiday. In fact, I got 5 day offs on the first week of October because of a Jewish Holiday. The only Christian Holiday I know that we get a day-off for in America is Christmas and Good Friday...
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THE THREAD IS ABOUT THE HOLIDAYS BEING RECOGNIZED. NOT ACCEPTED. HOLY CRAP.

rec·og·nize Audio pronunciation of "recognized" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (rkg-nz)
tr.v. rec·og·nized, rec·og·niz·ing, rec·og·niz·es

1. To know to be something that has been perceived before: recognize a face.
2. To know or identify from past experience or knowledge: recognize hostility.
3. To perceive or show acceptance of the validity or reality of: recognizes the concerns of the tenants.
4. To permit to address a meeting: The club's president recognized the new member.
5. To accept officially the national status of as a new government.
6. To show awareness of; approve of or appreciate: recognize services rendered.

7. To admit the acquaintance of, as by salutation: recognize an old friend with a cheerful greeting.
8. Law. To enter into a recognizance.
9. Biology. To exhibit recognition for (an antigen or a substrate, for example).


ac·cept Audio pronunciation of "accepted" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (k-spt)
v. ac·cept·ed, ac·cept·ing, ac·cepts
v. tr.

1. To receive (something offered), especially with gladness or approval: accepted a glass of water; accepted their contract.
2. To admit to a group, organization, or place: accepted me as a new member of the club.
3.
1. To regard as proper, usual, or right: Such customs are widely accepted.
2. To regard as true; believe in: Scientists have accepted the new theory.
3. To understand as having a specific meaning.
4. To endure resignedly or patiently: accept one's fate.
5.
1. To answer affirmatively: accept an invitation.
2. To agree to take (a duty or responsibility).
6. To be able to hold (something applied or inserted): This wood will not accept oil paints.
7. To receive officially: accept the committee's report.
8. To consent to pay, as by a signed agreement.
9. Medicine. To receive (a transplanted organ or tissue) without immunological rejection.




HANNUKAH IS NOT RECOGNIZED. THIS IS A FACT. STOP SAYING IT IS.
No Jewish, Muslim, Islam, etc. holiday is recognized besides Christian holidays.

You got off for Judaism? Well I didn't. AND I'M JEWISH.
And what do you mean no one is complaining? What the crap do you think this thread is about? It's unfair. For something to be noticeably unfair, people have to complain. I, myself, am complaining right now.

Only Christmas and Good Friday, eh? Well my friends can get off for Ash Wednesday and not be counted absent. And how about Easter? Any Christian holiday you can go to your school administration and ask to get off and you can without recieving penalty. I, however, cannot. I cannot choose to make a menorah during our 1st grade project while everyone is making Christmas trees, I must make the Christmas tree. I cannot ask "Hey, it's Rosh Hashana, the Jewish New Year, so do you think I could get off to attend temple?" because I only get nos. I've tried it, trust me, it happens.

PLEASE DO NOT POST WITHOUT 1) READING THE THREAD, 2) KNOWING WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, AND 3) TRYING TO SEE OUTSIDE YOUR LITTLE BOX.
b0st0ngrl
QUOTE(disco infiltrator @ Oct 23 2005, 5:43 PM)
Only Christmas and Good Friday, eh? Well my friends can get off for Ash Wednesday and not be counted absent. And how about Easter? Any Christian holiday you can go to your school administration and ask to get off and you can without recieving penalty. I, however, cannot. I cannot choose to make a menorah during our 1st grade project while everyone is making Christmas trees, I must make the Christmas tree. I cannot ask "Hey, it's Rosh Hashana, the Jewish New Year, so do you think I could get off to attend temple?" because I only get nos. I've tried it, trust me, it happens.
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And in addition, school picture day was on Yom Kippur one year. If no one is going to realize that they put school picture day on a holiday that kids are going to be absent for, it definately isn't recognized.
sadolakced acid
you know what i want to do, to piss off christians?

make good friday into something dirty.

like...

"hey you want to come over to my house this friday? it's gooood friday"

and like... make it so that free porn is given away on good friday and such. and have a tradition of like... massively unchristian activities... with like, contests of committing all the deadly sins...

so there'd be eating contests... laziness contests... beauty contests... sex contests... etc.

i mean, that's effectively what they did with chirstmas and all...

hmmm...

shifty.gif
disco infiltrator
Our picture day was on Yom Kippur this year.
CrimsonSkyGraphics
Okay, I know this is a little off topic from 'holidays' specifically..But I thought it fit in well enough.

Firstly, I 'do' agree that Christian holidays are unfairly..more..noted. Although, I guess it sadly just has something to do with how many more Christians there 'are' in America (including Canada), than the others. At least..in the positions that matter as to what holidays we get ang what not.

But you know what I heard about? o.O Get 'this' for unfair. Appearently for the past..Gah..long time, the Catholic church has been trying to get a "Sunday Law" passed. This law is supposed to force people to not have their bussinesses open on Sundays..and force them to attend Catholic church. No matter 'what' religion. And sadly, even though it seems ridiculous..Appearently there's been a lot of progress with certain world leaders to make this "law" truth. Scary, eh? o.o; They're trying to make every 'Sunday" a manditory Catholic/Christian holiday.
ParanoidAndroid
QUOTE(disco infiltrator @ Oct 23 2005, 5:43 PM)
THE THREAD IS ABOUT THE HOLIDAYS BEING RECOGNIZED. NOT ACCEPTED. HOLY CRAP.

rec·og·nize  Audio pronunciation of "recognized" ( P )  Pronunciation Key  (rkg-nz)
tr.v. rec·og·nized, rec·og·niz·ing, rec·og·niz·es

  1. To know to be something that has been perceived before: recognize a face.
  2. To know or identify from past experience or knowledge: recognize hostility.
  3. To perceive or show acceptance of the validity or reality of: recognizes the concerns of the tenants.
  4. To permit to address a meeting: The club's president recognized the new member.
  5. To accept officially the national status of as a new government.
  6. To show awareness of; approve of or appreciate: recognize services rendered.

  7. To admit the acquaintance of, as by salutation: recognize an old friend with a cheerful greeting.
  8. Law. To enter into a recognizance.
  9. Biology. To exhibit recognition for (an antigen or a substrate, for example).
ac·cept  Audio pronunciation of "accepted" ( P )  Pronunciation Key  (k-spt)
v. ac·cept·ed, ac·cept·ing, ac·cepts
v. tr.

  1. To receive (something offered), especially with gladness or approval: accepted a glass of water; accepted their contract.
  2. To admit to a group, organization, or place: accepted me as a new member of the club.
  3.
        1. To regard as proper, usual, or right: Such customs are widely accepted.
        2. To regard as true; believe in: Scientists have accepted the new theory.
        3. To understand as having a specific meaning.
  4. To endure resignedly or patiently: accept one's fate.
  5.
        1. To answer affirmatively: accept an invitation.
        2. To agree to take (a duty or responsibility).
  6. To be able to hold (something applied or inserted): This wood will not accept oil paints.
  7. To receive officially: accept the committee's report.
  8. To consent to pay, as by a signed agreement.
  9. Medicine. To receive (a transplanted organ or tissue) without immunological rejection.
HANNUKAH IS NOT RECOGNIZED. THIS IS A FACT. STOP SAYING IT IS.
No Jewish, Muslim, Islam, etc. holiday is recognized besides Christian holidays.

You got off for Judaism? Well I didn't. AND I'M JEWISH.
And what do you mean no one is complaining? What the crap do you think this thread is about? It's unfair. For something to be noticeably unfair, people have to complain. I, myself, am complaining right now.

Only Christmas and Good Friday, eh? Well my friends can get off for Ash Wednesday and not be counted absent. And how about Easter? Any Christian holiday you can go to your school administration and ask to get off and you can without recieving penalty. I, however, cannot. I cannot choose to make a menorah during our 1st grade project while everyone is making Christmas trees, I must make the Christmas tree. I cannot ask "Hey, it's Rosh Hashana, the Jewish New Year, so do you think I could get off to attend temple?" because I only get nos. I've tried it, trust me, it happens.

PLEASE DO NOT POST WITHOUT 1) READING THE THREAD, 2) KNOWING WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, AND 3) TRYING TO SEE OUTSIDE YOUR LITTLE BOX.

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holy f**king shit...chill

alright alright...and yes i did read the whole thread..maybe i misinterpreted?
CrimsonSkyGraphics
Actually, as unfair as it is to you that Christian holidays are more recognized here..There 'are' many places in the world where people cant even 'participate' in christianity..o.o;..I guess..maybe it..somehow..evens out..

Not that I'm defending it. Just stating.
uLoVeMikeRoch
QUOTE(Kristinaa @ Sep 17 2005, 10:50 PM)
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That makes no sense at all.

Their religion is what they believe. It's what/how they think.
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Are you stupid or retarted?

Shes saying that if their religion says vote bush, that doesn't mean you should vote for him just because you religion says so.
Mulder
QUOTE(Kristinaa @ Sep 17 2005, 10:50 PM)
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That makes no sense at all.

Their religion is what they believe. It's what/how they think.
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i really disagree with that. if a cristian preacher says that all christians should vote for ____ (republican or democrat), then you're saying they should vote for that candidate only because a preacher said to. not because they studied the campaigns and knew their stances on the issues. their vote should be influenced by their religion, among other things, but should not take precedence when deciding who to vote for.
Spirited Away
QUOTE(Crimson_Sky @ Oct 29 2005, 11:16 PM)
Actually, as unfair as it is to you that Christian holidays are more recognized here..There 'are' many places in the world where people cant even 'participate' in christianity..o.o;..I guess..maybe it..somehow..evens out..
Not that I'm defending it. Just stating.
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Well, that is why the topic is rather specific about Christian holidays in America, not elsewhere. Also, there are places in the world where people can't participate in any religion, let alone Christianity, so no, I don't think it evens out. The proof of that is in the Christian population.
sadolakced acid
QUOTE(Crimson_Sky @ Oct 29 2005, 11:16 PM)
Actually, as unfair as it is to you that Christian holidays are more recognized here..There 'are' many places in the world where people cant even 'participate' in christianity..o.o;..I guess..maybe it..somehow..evens out..

Not that I'm defending it. Just stating.
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name one country that specifically bans christiantiy and only chirstianity.
CrimsonSkyGraphics
QUOTE(Spirited Away @ Oct 30 2005, 12:59 AM)
Well, that is why the topic is rather specific about Christian holidays in America, not elsewhere. Also, there are places in the world where people can't participate in any religion, let alone Christianity, so no, I don't think it evens out. The proof of that is in the Christian population.
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I know that. I guess "evens out" was a bad choice of words. I'm just trying to say that each place has it's own..battles with religions. And each place will have its..hm.."recognized" religion. Not just America. I cant name a "specific" country right now, because I just woke up..and my bf's the big Christian, anyhoo..so he normally knows those little facts..<.<..Cause I just simply cant remember. i know there 'are' countries that dont allow it, though. Heck, there are countries that will 'beat' you if you are caught practising it. o.O

Again..It's not that I 'agree' with it all.
timeflies51
it depends where you live.

in my school, we don't get off for any jewish holiday. not hanukkah, not passover, not for the high holy days (rosh hashanah and yom kippur).

however, at my grandmother's school where she teaches, they at least get off for the high holy days.

the difference is that in my school district, there are barely any jews.

in her school district, there are tons.

i know that if we did get off for those holidays nobody else would care. at my grandmother's school, non-jews will go on vacation.

i do sort of wish the holidays would be more recognized. not only for jewish holidays, but for other religious holidays as well. when you go to the mall what do you see? a giant christmas tree or a giant menorah?

exactly.

they're recognized because the majority of the nation is christian. i'm sure people just don't want to bother with the religions that don't take up a large majority. i mean, then you'd need days for not only judaism, islam, and religions like that, but what about wicca, unitarians, and even atheists?
racoons > you
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and even atheists?


are there athiest holidays? i mean, holidays where people get together specifically to celebrate the non-existence of god?

im genuinely interested, not trying to nit-pick. although, nit-picking is always good too.

and regardless of whether it is possible for you to get an excused absence for the holiday of your choice, as sammi rightly pointed out, doesnt mean it is 'recognized' formally by the school. it just means that they are aware that other religions exist and have a basic knowledge of the bill of rights.

oh and sammi, id take the denied excused absence thing up with the school board if i were you.
WindSorcerous
America is a christian-based country with a christian-based society. It's not fair or equal but we can't do anything about it. This is why we need a separation of church and state...

American has grown so much with hundreds of different religions spread all across from the east to the west coast. It seems outdated and immature to still have the same mentality as it did when it first became a country...
racoons > you
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It's not fair or equal but we can't do anything about it. This is why we need a separation of church and state


you realize its something of a ontradiction to say that there's nothing we can do, and then suggest a solution, right?
disco infiltrator
QUOTE(racoons > you @ Oct 30 2005, 3:15 PM)
are there athiest holidays? i mean, holidays where people get together specifically to celebrate the non-existence of god?

im genuinely interested, not trying to nit-pick. although, nit-picking is always good too.

and regardless of whether it is possible for you to get an excused absence for the holiday of your choice, as sammi rightly pointed out, doesnt mean it is 'recognized' formally by the school. it just means that they are aware that other religions exist and have a basic knowledge of the bill of rights.

oh and sammi, id take the denied excused absence thing up with the school board if i were you.
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The school board, um, wouldn't care. Trust me. I know who's on my school board. Two of them would be like, "That's not right.." but the other three would be all, "Most of our school is Christian and you already have breaks for that even though you don't need it, so be happy."
racoons > you
well take it to the state level
disco infiltrator
Haha, James, I don't live in California or New York or something...
racoons > you
i know... bu tim preparing to challenge the school tommorrow as the y are going to try and force me to cut my hair, and im going to have to argue with the fuhrer
AngryBaby
come on guys, we are getting a little off topic arent we? hmmmm? i mean gosh, you guys are outta control ;)
racoons > you
DONT chastise and then fail to contribute yourself.

naughty maughty
ParanoidAndroid
QUOTE(sadolakced acid @ Oct 30 2005, 1:13 AM)
name one country that specifically bans christiantiy and only chirstianity.
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*cough* muslim countries like Iraq...
racoons > you
they dont ban ONLY christianity.

read the question
ParanoidAndroid
well they ban christianity thats for sure...

but the only reason why christianity is rarely banned is because Christians populated the Earth with their hypocritical teachings back in the early years
disco infiltrator
They don't ban it..do you know anything about those countries? Their country is governed solely on the Muslim religion and people don't have to specifically practice that, but if they live there, they must adhere to the Muslim laws.
Spirited Away
QUOTE(Crimson_Sky @ Oct 30 2005, 11:03 AM)
I know that. I guess "evens out" was a bad choice of words. I'm just trying to say that each place has it's own..battles with religions. And each place will have its..hm.."recognized" religion. Not just America. I cant name a "specific" country right now, because I just woke up..and my bf's the big Christian, anyhoo..so he normally knows those little facts..<.<..Cause I just simply cant remember. i know there 'are' countries that dont allow it, though. Heck, there are countries that will 'beat' you if you are caught practising it. o.O
Again..It's not that I 'agree' with it all.
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Well, I think I can understand where you're coming from, but in those same countries that Christians would be beaten, people of faiths not of the majority probably would be beaten, too. It is not fair to focus on one group's persecution while others suffer the same fate.
QUOTE(andromeda_90 @ Oct 30 2005, 4:17 PM)
*cough* muslim countries like Iraq...
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QUOTE(andromeda_90 @ Oct 30 2005, 4:22 PM)
well they ban christianity thats for sure...
but the only reason why christianity is rarely banned is because Christians populated the Earth with their hypocritical teachings back in the early years
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If you were a true conservative, or orthodox Christian and own a country, are you saying that you will tolerate, and allow people to practice religions other than your own? While that's commendable for you if your answer is positive, history proves otherwise.

Will you PLEASE explain to me how Iraq bans Christianity and ONLY Christianity, if at all (you may be misinterpreting things)? Why do you all put so much emphasis on one religion and conveniently ignore others?
CrimsonSkyGraphics
QUOTE(Spirited Away @ Oct 30 2005, 11:12 PM)
Well, I think I can understand where you're coming from, but in those same countries that Christians would be beaten, people of faiths not of the majority probably would be beaten, too. It is not fair to focus on one group's persecution while others suffer the same fate.
If you were a true conservative, or orthodox Christian and own a country, are you saying that you will tolerate, and allow people to practice religions other than your own? While that's commendable for you if your answer is positive, history proves otherwise.

Will you PLEASE explain to me how Iraq bans Christianity and ONLY Christianity, if at all (you may be misinterpreting things)? Why do you all put so much emphasis on one religion and conveniently ignore others?
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I'm glad you can see what I mean, at least. But I wanna state I wasnt trying to only point out only Christianity not being accepted..I was just using it as an example because that's the religion people are meantioning as being too recognized here. Just that, yes...it may be unfairly over recognized in America..But in other countries it's a 'different' religion that's unfairly recognized.
Spirited Away
QUOTE(Crimson_Sky @ Oct 30 2005, 11:16 PM)
I'm glad you can see what I mean, at least. But I wanna state I wasnt trying to only point out only Christianity not being accepted..I was just using it as an example because that's the religion people are meantioning as being too recognized here. Just that, yes...it may be unfairly over recognized in America..But in other countries it's a 'different' religion that's unfairly recognized.
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I would agree completely had you worded it this way: "in other countries, it's among religions that are unfairly recognized", because for sure if Christians are unfairly treated, people of other faiths would be in the same boat.
reflection
QUOTE(Crimson_Sky @ Oct 31 2005, 12:16 AM)
I'm glad you can see what I mean, at least. But I wanna state I wasnt trying to only point out only Christianity not being accepted..I was just using it as an example because that's the religion people are meantioning as being too recognized here. Just that, yes...it may be unfairly over recognized in America..But in other countries it's a 'different' religion that's unfairly recognized.
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yes thats true but i i think its unfair in america because this is the land of the free yet we cant get off on our religious holidays
CrimsonSkyGraphics
QUOTE(joizei__18 @ Oct 31 2005, 7:51 PM)
yes thats true but i i think its unfair in america because this is the land of the free yet we cant get off on our religious holidays
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No offence meant by this, But I think "land of the free" is more wishful thinking, than truth. And I dont mean just in religion. But that's not for this debate, I guess. Kinda off subject. <.<
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