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Abortion
*Libertie*
post Jul 6 2005, 06:23 PM
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I'll agree with sadolakced acid as long as the whole "government funding for frivolous abortions" thing is out of the question. Financial aid only in special cases, but still on a pro-choice-with-some-limitations basis. :P
 
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post Jul 6 2005, 06:32 PM
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i'm against it except if the woman got raped.
but i think it should be legal cuz it is a woman's choice
 
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post Jul 6 2005, 09:36 PM
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They have this new thing, where you can tell if its a boy or girl within the first 5 weeks of pregnancy...I saw it on the news, and they were talking about if it would alter peoples decision to get an abortion or not, based on what gender it was.
I think that is stupid
"oh I wanted a boy, not a girl....okay I'll have an abortion"
That made me really upset....

And alot of people already know what I think about abortion, I post on some of the first pages....not sure where but yeah.
 
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post Jul 7 2005, 12:14 AM
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QUOTE(StanleyThePanda @ Jul 6 2005, 7:36 PM)
They have this new thing, where you can tell if its a boy or girl within the first 5 weeks of pregnancy...I saw it on the news, and they were talking about if it would alter peoples decision to get an abortion or not, based on what gender it was.
I think that is stupid
"oh I wanted a boy, not a girl....okay I'll have an abortion"
That made me really upset....

And alot of people already know what I think about abortion, I post on some of the first pages....not sure where but yeah.
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That's utterly ridiculous.
 
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post Jul 7 2005, 03:03 AM
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hahahahahaha

"the all-mighty Minda would aprove."

if i ever meet him i'm telling him he's, appearently, the debate god, or somthing.

now for some input on the debate: how does abortion hurt anyone? seriously, does it really hurt you if your neighbor gets an abortion? i heard this girl had an abortion and i felt fine. how does somone getting an abortion effect a pro-life person? everybody has the right to choose for themselves. pro-lifers need to take care of their own problems.

plus, we're making so much new medicine. how are we going to control population once we find a cure for cancer? and what if the parent can't afford the child? that's just more welfare money out of our pockets.

abortion is awesome.
 
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post Jul 7 2005, 05:30 AM
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QUOTE(ryfitaDF @ Jul 7 2005, 1:03 AM)
hahahahahaha

"the all-mighty Minda would aprove."

if i ever meet him i'm telling him he's, appearently, the debate god, or somthing.

now for some input on the debate: how does abortion hurt anyone? seriously, does it really hurt you if your neighbor gets an abortion? i heard this girl had an abortion and i felt fine. how does somone getting an abortion effect a pro-life person? everybody has the right to choose for themselves. pro-lifers need to take care of their own problems.

plus, we're making so much new medicine. how are we going to control population once we find a cure for cancer? and what if the parent can't afford the child? that's just more welfare money out of our pockets.

abortion is awesome.
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You're protecting the rights of 'Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness' of the (most of the time) stupid, careless teenage college student who got knocked up while she was drunk. With your approach, you're failing to protect those rights when it comes to the child that will be born months down the road.

And don't kid yourself; a fetus with facial features, arms, legs, and a beating heart is worthy of having protected rights.
 
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post Jul 7 2005, 12:34 PM
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however, a fetus in first trimester isn't living, so that wouldn't apply there.
 
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post Jul 8 2005, 03:31 AM
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How does this rule out first trimester abortions? A trimester, depending on the pregnancy, is roughly 90 days. A fetus' heart starts beating after just 22 days from conception, and by this time it has developed significantly defined features on the face, and limbs.

That's pretty living, to me.

And honestly, how many abortions do you think really think happen before those 22 days?
 
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post Jul 8 2005, 04:56 AM
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When in pregnancy do most women have abortions?

In the United States, nearly nine in 10 abortions occur in the first 12 weeks of pregnancy and 56% occur in the first eight weeks. [45] The availability of medical abortion (the "abortion pill," or mifepristone) and new techniques that allow surgical abortions to be performed earlier in pregnancy are likely to reinforce the trend toward earlier abortions.

Are an increasing proportion of women having their abortion earlier in pregnancy?

Yes, an increasing proportion of abortions are performed early in pregnancy. [46] In addition, in 2000, more providers were offering both medical and surgical abortion early in pregnancy than had previously. A majority of nonhospital providers now offer abortion services beginning at five weeks from the last menstrual period (about three weeks after fertilization), and some even earlier. [47]
 
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post Jul 8 2005, 08:19 AM
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Well, isn't that lovely. Nearly 9 in 10 abortions occur in the first twelve weeks, and 56% in the first eight? Well, that only equates to 84 days, and 56 days after conception, respectively. Assuming that most abortions occur around the 20-84 days post-conception area (which is reasonable, because the 'early abortion' techniques you described were three weeks after, which is 21 days), just about 100% of abortions stop a heart beat.

I guess I was wrong. Abortions don't kill anything. [/sarcasm]
 
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post Jul 8 2005, 11:33 AM
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against it. its just like murder to me...if people are stupid enough to have sex when they dont want a baby then they will have to sufer the consiquences.
 
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post Jul 8 2005, 11:44 AM
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QUOTE(enyceXaddiction @ Jul 8 2005, 11:33 AM)
against it. its just like murder to me...if people are stupid enough to have sex when they dont want a baby then they will have to sufer the consiquences.
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According to the rules of the debate forum, you should have read the thread instead of going off in a rant. Please read the thread and formulate your argument again because we've already debated this point of view.
 
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post Jul 8 2005, 11:59 AM
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QUOTE(CrackedRearView @ Jul 8 2005, 3:31 AM)
How does this rule out first trimester abortions?  A trimester, depending on the pregnancy, is roughly 90 days.  A fetus' heart starts beating after just 22 days from conception, and by this time it has developed significantly defined features on the face, and limbs.

That's pretty living, to me.

And honestly, how many abortions do you think really think happen before those 22 days?
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how does a beating heart equate life? or facial features? expecially when the brain is just stem cells.
 
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post Jul 8 2005, 01:45 PM
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i'm too tired to read over this whole thing.

are we debating the overall morality of abortion or whether or not abortion is right in our society?
 
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post Jul 8 2005, 04:05 PM
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QUOTE(perplexism @ Jul 8 2005, 1:45 PM)
i'm too tired to read over this whole thing.

are we debating the overall morality of abortion or whether or not abortion is right in our society?
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mindy!

errr... i dunno.
 
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post Jul 8 2005, 04:14 PM
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QUOTE(enyceXaddiction @ Jul 8 2005, 12:33 PM)
against it. its just like murder to me...if people are stupid enough to have sex when they dont want a baby then they will have to sufer the consiquences.
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It's called rape? But anyway, I agree with you. Even if they get raped though, there shouldn't be an abortion...if the mom really wanted to get rid of her child then adoption would be better then death...
 
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post Jul 8 2005, 08:05 PM
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I don't support abortion. I see it as killing babies!
 
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post Jul 8 2005, 08:47 PM
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QUOTE(sadolakced acid @ Jul 8 2005, 4:05 PM)
mindy!

errr... i dunno.
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Well, the topic starter didn't specify so we're debating both, I think.
 
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post Jul 8 2005, 11:50 PM
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i think it was whether it should be legal or not.

and justin, my point was as of right now, most abortions occur in the first trimester and in the future, most are going to be in the first 3 weeks. it's gradually becoming more and more in that timeframe.
 
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post Jul 9 2005, 02:08 AM
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QUOTE(sadolakced acid @ Jul 8 2005, 9:59 AM)
how does a beating heart equate life?  or facial features?  expecially when the brain is just stem cells.
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It's more living than it is not.
 
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post Jul 9 2005, 02:10 AM
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QUOTE(CrackedRearView @ Jul 9 2005, 2:08 AM)
It's more living than it is not.
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it's less living than a baby
 
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post Jul 9 2005, 02:15 AM
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QUOTE(sadolakced acid @ Jul 9 2005, 12:10 AM)
it's less living than a baby
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That doesn't justify sucking it out in a tube.
 
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post Jul 9 2005, 01:44 PM
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QUOTE(CrackedRearView @ Jul 9 2005, 2:15 AM)
That doesn't justify sucking it out in a tube.
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it doesn't justify forcing a woman to carry this less than living cell mass if she doens't want too.

teratomas grow off of ovaries. (or testes). they have all the cells of feotuses. they have beating hearts, muscles, etc. should the removal of teratomas be illegal?
 
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post Jul 9 2005, 05:50 PM
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there are too many pro-choice people in america for this nation to ban/strictly limit abortion. so.. yeah.

okay, i'd like to say that i'm pro-life, but you really have to consider the issue from the pregnant woman's perspective. i can only imagine how ruined my life would be if i got pregnant in college with my entire future ahead of me. if i were ever placed in that situation (not that i will ever be), i really can't say for sure that i would keep the baby.
 
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post Jul 9 2005, 05:58 PM
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I think if the parent cant take care of the baby then she should get an abotion.
Cause they is really no point to have a baby if you cant give it care,
It will just get sick and die afterwards.
 
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