Abortion Options

[Spirited Away]

ban one you ban them all. 
do we really want people getting multiple abortions?  no. but if multiple ones are banned, it's that much closer to banning them completely.
the same reason why propoganda isn't banned.  you regulate some speech, it opens the way for all speech to be regulated. 
likewise, the FCC could choose to regulate the interenet and hold it to the same standards as radio, etc.
banning abortions will open that door.
basically, i'm saying; banning irresponsibility often infringes upon other civil rights.  better that 10 people die than one innocent's freedom be taken away.
what i see in abortion arguments boils down to:
the feotus vs. the mother.  which one has priority? which one should govern both?

That is starting to sound like a bureaucracy--rigid rules, very inflexible and ignores the human condition. I'm not asking for abortions to be banned and I'm not asking it to be so readily available for everyone. I'm wanting something in between that will still give hope to those who need it desperately and curbing the now popular attitude that abortions are okay because women should have rights to their own bodies. Just like people have to be 21 years old to drink legally but can drink under that age limit if parent or legal guardian is present, there should be a kind of flexible limit or margin for abortions. To tell you the truth, I really have no idea how that would work, or if such limitations will bring the results that I imagined, but I still feel like that is how things ought to be. No one should deserve 352465 chances, or even a 3rd or a 4th and so on, to have abortions because she can't learn to use the pill or the condom.

[sadolakced acid]

That is starting to sound like a bureaucracy--rigid rules, very inflexible and ignores the human condition. I'm not asking for abortions to be banned and I'm not asking it to be so readily available for everyone. I'm wanting something in between that will still give hope to those who need it desperately and curbing the now popular attitude that abortions are okay because women should have rights to their own bodies. Just like people have to be 21 years old to drink legally but can drink under that age limit if parent or legal guardian is present, there should be a kind of flexible limit or margin for abortions. To tell you the truth, I really have no idea how that would work, or if such limitations will bring the results that I imagined, but I still feel like that is how things ought to be. No one should deserve 352465 chances, or even a 3rd or a 4th and so on, to have abortions because she can't learn to use the pill or the condom.

just as no one who was raped should be denied an abortion becuase someone thinks it's murder. (some people have been saying just ban all abortions)

just as no one should be forced to carry a child to term that will probably be a miscarraige, because someone believes it's murder.

just as no one should be denied a second chance, because someone believes it's murder.

[Spirited Away]

just as no one who was raped should be denied an abortion becuase someone thinks it's murder.  (some people have been saying just ban all abortions)

just as no one should be forced to carry a child to term that will probably be a miscarraige, because someone believes it's murder.

just as no one should be denied a second chance, because someone believes it's murder.

I'm not talking about second chances. Notice that I said the 3rd abortion, the 4th and beyond. I also said limitations, which means some people should be able to have abortions, and someone shouldn't be able to.

[sadolakced acid]

I'm not talking about second chances. Notice that I said the 3rd abortion, the 4th and beyond. I also said limitations, which means some people should be able to have abortions, and someone shouldn't be able to.

i know... i'm just saying... banning some will have open the door to banning them all.

[Spirited Away]

i know... i'm just saying... banning some will have open the door to banning them all.

Setting limitations is certainly better than banning abortions completely and allowing abortions to be available to everyone at anytime. Meaning, knowing that setting limitations is the better choice, why would anyone choose the other choices? It wouldn't "open the door to banning them all" if setting limitations would prove to be the better choice.

Also, it works the same way as setting age limits on drinking, getting a drivers license, and the retirement age.

[Shana_Kru]

anyways.....Its not evan a human as it states at the start its a ball of cells im not saying go abortions but yurr...its really the choice of the person if you get raped or something you didnt have a choice.. but if you just happen to fall pregnent having the baby could cause more damage then good what if the baby didnt have a good or stabel home or if the mother couldnt handel having the baby yes she should of been more careful but we all make mistakes so dont front like youve never...

[Spirited Away]

anyways.....Its not evan a human as it states at the start its a ball of cells im not saying go abortions but yurr...its really the choice of the person if you get raped or something you didnt have a choice.. but if you just happen to fall pregnent having the baby could cause more damage then good what if the baby didnt have a good or stabel home or if the mother couldnt handel having the baby yes she should of been more careful but we all make mistakes so dont front like youve never...

What if you read the thread? Sorry, all of those points have been brought up for discussion before. Your what if questions are answered somewhere in this thread. I would know, I answered a couple, if not all of them.

[Shana_Kru]

What if you read the thread? Sorry, all of those points have been brought up for discussion before. Your what if questions are answered somewhere in this thread. I would know, I answered a couple, if not all of them.

ogay then angus....but it asks for your point ov view and i gave it aight!!! mr knowledge

[Spirited Away]

ogay then angus....but it asks for your point ov view and i gave it aight!!! mr knowledge

Actually, before even reading the thread or even posting in the debate forum ever again, please read the rules of debate...

here

Thank you.

By the way, lets not be so dramatic.

[Shana_Kru]

Actually, before even reading the thread or even posting in the debate forum ever again, please read the rules of debate...

here

Thank you.

im not bein dramatic i stated my views you jumped down my through acctually dont h8 cos not every 1 wants to share your view

By the way, lets not be so dramatic.

[Shana_Kru]

anyways cut it im out i dont even care cos wea i am anyone 1 can have an abortion so it dont effect me cos i come from a place of open mindedness all good

[Spirited Away]

anyways cut it im out i dont even care cos wea i am anyone 1 can have an abortion so it dont effect me cos i come from a place of open mindedness all good

Are you now suggesting that to be pro-life is to be closed-minded? Or that to be you is to be open-minded?



lol...

[Shana_Kru]

i didnt say eitha thats obviously just what you think

[Spirited Away]

You mean it's obviously what you think:

i come from a place of open mindedness all good

[Shana_Kru]

yeah bt i didnt say you didnt i was just stating what i thought of the place i came from you said the other stuff your self

[Spirited Away]

yeah bt i didnt say you didnt i was just stating what i thought of the place i came from you said the other self your self

I said things that you implied, thus the word "suggesting" was used. Nuff said.

Since this conversation has nothing to do with the said topic, lets quit. But just so you know, please read the debate forum rules in the future or you'll be subjected to warnings from moderators. Thank you.

EDIT:: V What on earth do you mean by I took it the wrong way? A writer is only as good as what his/her words imply.

[Shana_Kru]

i implied but didnt say.......maybe you just took it the wrong way so yeah well end it nw

[*CrackedRearView*]

Pro-life people aren't close-minded, and it's jabs like that that push me more and more toward giving up on this milked asset.

The debate forum, that is.

[*CrackedRearView*]

which is why organized religion should be banned.

minda would aprove.

religion is useful for three things:

taking over a country
influencing people
collecting money.

all three we can do without.

Another ridiculous motion.

To ban organized religion would not only be a futile, unenforceable, and laughed-at attempt to please everyone, but it would be an attempt to destroy the very lifeline that many millions of Americans thrive upon.

EDIT // Minda would also approve of socialism. Therein lies a problem.

[Mulder]

although I do not agree with any organized religion, u need to imagine a world without any religions. a world without faith or beliefs. without a higher power. a world without hope. whether we like it or not, religion keeps us sane. A parent whose son was murdered keeps from taking revenge/killing themselves through prayer and faith. no society could function without any sort of faith.

but this is not a religion thread, so if we could please get back to teh topic of abortion.

[sadolakced acid]

Another ridiculous motion.

To ban organized religion would not only be a futile, unenforceable, and laughed-at attempt to please everyone, but it would be an attempt to destroy the very lifeline that many millions of Americans thrive upon.

EDIT // Minda would also approve of socialism.  Therein lies a problem.

yes- but religion has been the source of much conflict. if religion never existed, the world would be a better place for it.

but... minda is our savior. minda is uncorruptable. he is always right.

[*CrackedRearView*]

yes- but religion has been the source of much conflict.  if religion never existed, the world would be a better place for it.

  but...  minda is our savior.  minda is uncorruptable.  he is always right.

No he isn't.

[sadolakced acid]

No he isn't.

heretic! if you do not conform to the word of minda, you will spend eternity burning the the capitalist pigs!

[*disco infiltrator*]

justin jr., shh. stop sounding like the people across the street..(minus the minda part, but yea.)

justin sr., i praised you in another thread, don't leave, we <3 you.

insomniac, i'm a perfect example of someone who can live just fine without religion, so i think that's not a very valid point.

[sadolakced acid]

justin jr., shh. stop sounding like the people across the street..(minus the minda part, but yea.)

but that's the point! i'm going to say minda says bleh bleh bleh so it must be done and it must be right.

haha. oh fine. i'll stop. this debate is going over the same things over an over again.

the solution, i think,

is that everyone gets a first abortion, and after that each abortion must be requested and review on a case-by case basis before being approved or rejected.

abortion in cases of rape or health concernes do not count as a first abortion.

so; this solution would be flexible, as the jury (or other randomly selected body) is the one that decides.

how's it sound?

the only con i see if putting more strain on the judicial system- which is why i think it could be decided by a constantly changing committee of people.