Abortion Options

[sammi rules you]

^ please don't double post. just edit the first post next time.

and people, stop saying that embryos are living. cause they're not. this is proven, as i pointed out a couple posts back. most 1st trimester embryos only exhibit 1 or 2 of the characteristics of living organisms. that means they are not living.

[*CrackedRearView*]

^ please don't double post. just edit the first post next time.

and people, stop saying that embryos are living. cause they're not. this is proven, as i pointed out a couple posts back. most 1st trimester embryos only exhibit 1 or 2 of the characteristics of living organisms. that means they are not living.

Right then. Justify the example I pointed out in my previous post and I'll withdraw all of my preconceived notions about abortion.

Signed,

Justin

[sammi rules you]

I CAN'T.

justin, i already said i only support 1st trimester abortions, and 2nd if it's life-threatening..and only 1 abortion..

stop telling me to justify others..

[mocassinsx29]

Being against abortion is okay. For yourself.
When you begin to protest against it, to prevent ANYONE from having this choice, that's when it pisses me off. Stop trying to control other people's lives and decisions. If they don't want the baby, it's their choice and so abortions being available just helps them.

I think the baby counts as a human being when it begins to develop a brain.

[*CrackedRearView*]

I CAN'T.

justin, i already said i only support 1st trimester abortions, and 2nd if it's life-threatening..and only 1 abortion..

stop telling me to justify others..

I should have specified.

Justify the Teesha Groth example. Justify 7 first trimester abortions before 30 years of age.

[sadolakced acid]

^ we can't. sure, limit those a bit. don't limit all.

[*CrackedRearView*]

Let's move onto a contradiction that the supporters of the "1 and then you're done" have set themselves up for.

Lady gets her one abortion, then gets pregnant again.

Oh no, she might go into a dark alley with a coat hanger and do it improperly!

[sammi rules you]

well, if she decides to get pregnant again, that's her problem.

i do think one is ok. it gives those who did accidentally get pregnant a chance to learn from their mistakes.

[*CrackedRearView*]

well, if she decides to get pregnant again, that's her problem.

i do think one is ok. it gives those who did accidentally get pregnant a chance to learn from their mistakes.

In other words, let's coddle ignorance once in this instance. Got it.

We should do that for armed robbers, murderers, rapists, and domestic violence offenders, too! Let 'em screw up once.

[sadolakced acid]

In other words, let's coddle ignorance once in this instance.  Got it.

We should do that for armed robbers, murderers, rapists, and domestic violence offenders, too! Let 'em screw up once.

drunk drivers can kill people.

but we don't revoke licenses till the third charge.

[*CrackedRearView*]

Who said I didn't support more stringent rules concerning DUI's and even the Third Strikes law?

You're confusing what I do and do not want to push for. You can only work one step at a time.

[sadolakced acid]

oh wait. i'm so stupid...

We should do that for armed robbers, murderers, rapists, and domestic violence offenders, too! Let 'em screw up once.

we do do that. we wait till someone commits a crime to arrest them, instead of just arresting all the people in the ghetto.

[*CrackedRearView*]

oh wait.  i'm so stupid...
we do do that.  we wait till someone commits a crime to arrest them, instead of just arresting all the people in the ghetto.

That doesn't mean we don't legally outlaw raping, murdering, and selling narcotics to someone.

[sadolakced acid]

That doesn't mean we don't legally outlaw raping, murdering, and selling narcotics to someone.

yes, but those hurt a living being.

a feotus has status, yes, but it's not really alive.

the whole principle of banning abortions is based on the idea that abortions are killing a living human.

so; prove feotuses are living humans.

[*CrackedRearView*]

It all deals with potential.

A knife has the potential to kill someone. A line of crack has the potential to kill brain cells.

Turn the tables and say that an abortion kills a potential human and wow, we have ourselves a completely justifiable law.

One that gets abused by single people several times.

[sadolakced acid]

It all deals with potential.

A knife has the potential to kill someone.  A line of crack has the potential to kill brain cells.

Turn the tables and say that an abortion kills a potential human and wow, we have ourselves a completely justifiable law.

One that gets abused by single people several times.

just because a freedom gets abused doens't mean it's wrong.

americans are free to own guns, but that doesn't mean it's wrong.

birth makes a potential stillborn alive. we have to let potential play out. all feotuses must be aborted.

^ same logic.

[*not_your_average*]

News flash: Every single murderer, rapist, and terrorist has been an unaborted fetus. Look in a history textbook, you will never find information about an abortion blowing something up, killing a jew, or flying an airplane into a building.

Instead of fighting the Middle East, we could have used all the funding on international pro-choice campaigns. Osama himself would probably have been aborted. If that were the case, September 11th would have never happened and 3000+ people would still be alive, no thanks to you stubborn anti-everything renegades.

More examples of unaborted babies:

1. The Columbine Crew
2. Michael Jackson
3. Beyonce Knowles

Unaborted babies shoot up their school, molest children, and make shitty music. I don't even see why people want to have babies, it's insane. You could A) party all the time and not give a shit, or B) work two full-time jobs, get three hours of sleep each night, wipe a little maggot's ass EVERY DAY for four years, the list goes on. That's right, massage something's colon for four whole entire years. I don't think I've done anything for four years, maybe attended school, but there I don't have to clean up shit, only listen to it.

I don't understand why moms don't keep their aborted babies. It makes sense to me. An aborted kid is quiet, not as smelly, and doesn't require near as much oxygen as a living child. If I ever decide to have kids, I'm going to abort them and ask the doctor for a doggy bag. That's the way to go. Adults are so dumb.
from http://www.ninjapirate.com/abortion.html

the funniest thing EVER haha and SO TRUE 

That is not funny. Although I'm pro-choice, I would never laugh at something as sadistic as that.

[bellpepper]

I dont support abortion. Mainly because I know a couple of people close to me that were supposed to be aborted. To me I just cant understand why a mother cant put up her baby for adoption if she doesnt want to raise it.

[sadolakced acid]

I dont support abortion. Mainly because I know a couple of people close to me that were supposed to be aborted. To me I just cant understand why a mother cant put up her baby for adoption if she doesnt want to raise it.

why can't you let the mother decide?

[bellpepper]

Yeah I know its the mothers decision. She has the right to abort and I cant stop that. I didnt make that clear earlier. I just dont see why its so hard for them to put the baby up for adoption. But thats just me, its her choice not mine.

[Mulder]

I'm pro-choice. I'm just gonna leave it at that.

[*not_your_average*]

(bellpepper) I dont support abortion. Mainly because I know a couple of people close to me that were supposed to be aborted. To me I just cant understand why a mother cant put up her baby for adoption if she doesnt want to raise it.

Do you have any idea how hard adoption is? Not only does it cost more money than an abortion, but there is the potential of that kid being shuffled around from foster home to foster home. There is so much paperwork involved, and it's not easy finding a family willing to adopt. There are also emotional drawbacks. The biological mother can feel regret, sorrow, anguish, and it can come back to haunt her AND the child. Yes, many of these emotional cons are experienced in abortion, but the child can suffer as well. They can feel rejected, unwanted, and a desire to meet their birth parents, which can alienate the adoptive parents as well.

Would you rather one person and a lump of cells inside their body suffer, or a group of people with developed brains, emotions and lives? Would you rather save a "potential" life and let an actual life (or lives) suffer?

Many places such as Planned Parenthood can offer abortions for a low cost or sometimes even for free. Adoption costs so much more than that. This is maybe why they weren't put up for adoption. Abortion, however immoral it may seem to some, is the best and sometimes only choice for some people. Who are you to judge that? If you don't want your girlfriend/wife to have an abortion and she doesn't want one, that's fine. But this is why I'm pro-choice. We cannot judge others' decisions based off our beliefs. That is selfish and narrow-minded.

[*CrackedRearView*]

Do you have any idea how hard adoption is? Not only does it cost more money than an abortion, but there is the potential of that kid being shuffled around from foster home to foster home. There is so much paperwork involved, and it's not easy finding a family willing to adopt. There are also emotional drawbacks. The biological mother can feel regret, sorrow, anguish, and it can come back to haunt her AND the child. Yes, many of these emotional cons are experienced in abortion, but the child can suffer as well. They can feel rejected, unwanted, and a desire to meet their birth parents, which can alienate the adoptive parents as well.

Would you rather one person and a lump of cells inside their body suffer, or a group of people with developed brains, emotions and lives? Would you rather save a "potential" life and let an actual life (or lives) suffer?

However, there is a 100% failure rate when it comes to abortion, and you know why. The potential is killed every time.

On the contrary, the failure rate when it comes to adoption is substantially lower. At least some success stories come out of it.

[*not_your_average*]

However, there is a 100% failure rate when it comes to abortion, and you know why.  The potential is killed every time.

On the contrary, the failure rate when it comes to adoption is substantially lower.  At least some success stories come out of it.

There are those who don't want that potential to happen. Why? Because that "potential" life could ruin theirs. How can our society expect a 14 year-old girl not to feel gulity about giving up a live, breathing baby to a man and woman she barely knows, then turn around and say giving up a lump of cells is wrong? It would be illogical to say that a potential life is more important than a living, breathing baby.

[*CrackedRearView*]

There are those who don't want that potential to happen. Why? Because that "potential" life could ruin theirs. How can our society expect a 14 year-old girl not to feel gulity about giving up a live, breathing baby to a man and woman she barely knows, then turn around and say giving up a lump of cells is wrong? It would be illogical to say that a potential life is more important than a living, breathing baby.

A lump of cells with arms, legs, and defined features of a face. Sounds like a 9-month difference of bona fide selfishness.

Go out on a weekend and get knocked up, but pay the price.

"Rape, incest, what about these instances?!"

Yeah, yeah, I know. I don't know how many times I'm going to have to reiterate the fact that those are rare instances. I just don't know.

People don't listen.