Abortion Options

[sadolakced acid]

abortion is murder. you're killing a [potential (meaning not out of the womb yet)] life. i could give a rats ass about what stage the baby is, it is STILL A PERSON.

Basicially this weighs down to your own morals
Religion, ways you were brought up, and your views on life and other topics that follow under.  It's always going to be half and half. Yea. It depends on the morals.

so, if you believe abortion is murder, don't have one. but dont' force the people who don't believe it's murder to conform to your beliefs.

[*kryogenix*]

pro-choice people aren't the ones having rampant sex, then choosing to abort the baby either.

some pro-choice people would never abort a baby.
most pro-choice people don't have rampant sex.

saying that is like me saying,

that's because pro-choice people aren't the ones going around bombing abortion clinics and killing abortion doctors, because those aren't lives they're killing.

I never said they did. I was responding to the argument presented by machine x. He/she believes that pro life people should be adopting more babies, and I responded by saying that pro life people are not the ones responsible for the babies.

[*not_your_average*]

I agree with sadolacked acid. Just becuase you're pro-choice, that doesn't automatically mean that you're promiscuous. That's a weak argument. That's also a stupid generalization of pro-choicers.

[*kryogenix*]

I agree with sadolacked acid. Just becuase you're pro-choice, that doesn't automatically mean that you're promiscuous. That's a weak argument. That's also a stupid generalization of pro-choicers.

read the argument above you.

[*not_your_average*]

I read it a loooong time ago. That's exactly what I was desputing in my last post.

[gotblog4me?]

OK, for the record, I am totally against abortion, it's wrong, no debate here,I have my reasons and I dont want to explain them, but go here:

Would you abort this baby?

[crayonzUpMyNose]

i think we should have the right to choose if we want abortions or not. but only at the begginning of the pregnancy.

[sadolakced acid]

OK, for the record, I am totally against abortion, it's wrong, no debate here,I have my reasons and I dont want to explain them, but go here:

Would you abort this baby?

please don't post merely your opinion. this is the debate forum; if you don't want to support your opinion, just don't post.

[TaintedDesires]

The baby has done nothing wrong to deserve this kind of treatment. To me, that lump of cells become life as soon as it becomes a lump.

[*CrackedRearView*]

Think about this:

These same politicians who say they are pro-life (President Bush, many Republicans) are supportive of the death penalty and the war in Iraq.

But I'm not going to get into that.

War in Iraq debate: http://www.createblog.com/forums/index.php...ic=9422&hl=iraq

Death Penalty debate: http://www.createblog.com/forums/index.php...l=death+penalty

Do you really think we should trust these people to tell us about abortion laws?

And you complain about others' rash generalizations?

1) Take a look at what you just said.
2) Smack yourself on the face for whining about others' stigmas.

Just because a Republican supports the death penalty (don't get me started on how it is 1) not murder, 2) more effective that letting people feed off our taxes year in and year out), and the war in Iraq does not mean that they have no compassion for innocent life.

The people being executed are hardly innocent (mass murderers, rapists, etc).
The people in the Baath party and Iraqi insurgents are hardly innocent (they blow up schools, practice car bombings, and reak chaos in an already chaotic nation).

[jue]

totally disagree with it. If the parents of the baby are having abortion then they obviously arent ready for parenthood. They should have thought ot before they had there little fun time in the bed. They should have been ready for the responsibilities laying ahead of them.

[sadolakced acid]

totally disagree with it. If the parents of the baby are having abortion then they obviously arent ready for parenthood. They should have thought ot before they had there little fun time in the bed. They should have been ready for the responsibilities laying ahead of them.

or just maybe they did. and if the pregnacy is not terminated, the mother will die.

ever thought of that? it happens.

[*CrackedRearView*]

or just maybe they did.  and if the pregnacy is not terminated, the mother will die.

ever thought of that?  it happens.

Don't make me bust out my statistics again.

We all know that what you pointed out is the rarest of instances.

[sadolakced acid]

Don't make me bust out my statistics again.

We all know that what you pointed out is the rarest of instances.

i did, but that doens't mean it doesn't happen.

[*CrackedRearView*]

Well should we make laws of this magnitude revolve around the .001%?

[sadolakced acid]

Well should we make laws of this magnitude revolve around the .001%?

if they only apply to the .001%.

it's important not to ignore the .001% also, when making laws for the rest of the cases.

[*CrackedRearView*]

Well it's ridiculous to legalize all abortions because the .001% exists.

Ban the unnecessary ones, which constitute 90+% of the abortions, and break each other one down case by case.

[*mipadi*]

The economist Steven D. Levitt wrote of an interesting effect of Roe v. Wade in his book Freakonomics. During the 80's, the crime rate in the US was soaring. Then the early 90's came, and suddenly it plummeted. Why? Levitt's theory is that the lowered crime rate is a result of legalized abortion; the abortion of unwanted kids led to a whole generation of criminals being wiped out. I'm not saying I agree or disagree, but it is food for thought. At any rate, Freakonomics is a good read. (It talks about a whole host of other things, besides abortion.)

Anyway, one problem I see in making abortion illegal is that we will go back to the time when abortion was prohibited, and women got "back-alley" abortions by untrained guys with coat hangers. Not a pretty picture, and not something I'd like to see happen again. Abortion is barbaric enough; when it's done by an untrained "medic," it's even worse.

A whole host of other issues are raised by abortion, too. Shouldn't women be given the right to have control over their own body? I think so. I also think that, if nothing else, abortion should be legal in cases of rape, incest, and when the mother's life is at risk.

[vehvih]

I believe it's up for a pregnant woman to keep or abort her baby. If she can take the risk.. alright then keep it, if she can't due to her situation then abort OR give it to another person who is willing to raise a child which is better.

Aborting is like killing.. hmm.. As the days go by, the world wide population increases. I'm not saying that it's ok to kill people to decrease the population. BUT if you are going to think about it what are the things human beings have done/been doing to the world like crimes, spreading HIVs and AIDs, illegal logging, deforestation, discrimination, something to do with poverty, etc. And how many are they? It wouldn't take a person to count for 1 day. I'm just saying..

Should the law legalize or illegalize it...

Before the legislature do anything .. I believe there is a substitution for getting pregnant, abortion and all that, and that is education. People should be educated about sex and pregnancy even if they're adults or they're young.. and yeah.. therefor if people are to do some, they won't get pregnant.. and there would be no abortion or raising a child.. if they don't want a child.

[william]

Should the law legalize or illegalize it...

it's been legal since the 70's .

[vehvih]

Alright.. I have no idea about the law on abortion because I've never been pregnant and all that.

[sammi rules you]

well..george bush once said that atheists should not be citizens of the united states. if he ever got a law like that passed (which is highly doubtful, but it could happen), a lot of us would no longer be here. sure, it's not a lot of people; it's a small amount. it's still something.

i don't think abortions being illegal would be at all beneficial. i don't care if most abortions aren't for good reasons..some are. if a woman who already has a life and has been living for a while and has already established relationships dies because abortions were illegal, i think that would be worse.

there's no way the law would become case-sensitive. it would be too difficult to judge who deserves abortions and who doesn't. i still believe if it comes down to all or none, i would rather want all legal. sure, it's a small amount of people who actually need/deserve to get an abortion, but it's still something.

however, i do only support 1st trimester abortions. maybe 2nd trimester, but in extreme circumstances, but never 3rd. i don't consider the fetuses and embryos aborted in 1st trimester to be living, as i went over in the stem-cell research thread..2nd trimester, it is a human but i don't think it's really fully a life quite yet..but i think we should only resort to that in extreme circumstances in which the mother's life is in danger.

How many responsible American parents do you really think there are?

and good point, justin! (crackedrearview, not sado) sure it was in another thread, but wouldn't abortions being illegal INCREASE the amount of irresponsible, unprepared american parents?

[sadolakced acid]

Well it's ridiculous to legalize all abortions because the .001% exists.

Ban the unnecessary ones, which constitute 90+% of the abortions, and break each other one down case by case.

why do i feel we've done this before, and reached a compromise solution?

[*CrackedRearView*]

i don't think abortions being illegal would be at all beneficial. i don't care if most abortions aren't for good reasons..some are. if a woman who already has a life and has been living for a while and has already established relationships dies because abortions were illegal, i think that would be worse.

there's no way the law would become case-sensitive. it would be too difficult to judge who deserves abortions and who doesn't. i still believe if it comes down to all or none, i would rather want all legal. sure, it's a small amount of people who actually need/deserve to get an abortion, but it's still something.

and good point, justin! (crackedrearview, not sado) sure it was in another thread, but wouldn't abortions being illegal INCREASE the amount of irresponsible, unprepared american parents?

Not at all beneficial? Saving thousands of lives annually doesn't seem beneficial? How can someone support the 'ONE' movement to stop poverty and then allow this to happen?

Too hard to make a law case-sensitive? How could it be difficult to judge who deserves an abortion? Since 1991, when you go to get an abortion, you fill out a handy questionnaire. I can't remember the law that passed, but tens of thousands of abortions since '91 have been logged on file, reasons, circumstances, pre and post-operation conditions, etc.

We'd just use the same system, and I think it would work very nicely.

And, about your last statement, I have to throw down the blunt 'no'.

If abortions were absolutely illegal, I'd venture to say that teens might be a little more careful when it comes to non-abstinence and ignorance concerning contraceptives.

[sadolakced acid]

ehh...

i think if abortions were illegal, black market drugs that cause a mother to abort the baby would be sold, at risk to the mother.

also, canada would get a rather lot of buiseness in abortion clinics.