Abortion Options

[sammi rules you]

^ however her life must have been miserable while living in ethiopia alone. that's traumatic.

[FoOd]

^^ yeh know what, i do think a life is better then no life at all. and ya wanna know why? my friend was adopted from Etheopia (a 3rd world country) and her parents died shortly after she was born. but ya know what? she was happy b/c she got to grow up as a normal kid b/c she was put up for adoption. i mean any person would say oh that mother can have an abortion b/c she lives in a 3rd world country and can't raise her kid...its not right...no child should be deprived of life...should a child be punisned for the actions of another whether it be rape, casual whatveer the case may be.

The story of one girl does not equal the story of all girls. Sorry to break your heart hun.

[antix10_kos]

^^ yeh know what, i do think a life is better then no life at all. and ya wanna know why? my friend was adopted from Etheopia (a 3rd world country) and her parents died shortly after she was born. but ya know what? she was happy b/c she got to grow up as a normal kid b/c she was put up for adoption. i mean any person would say oh that mother can have an abortion b/c she lives in a 3rd world country and can't raise her kid...its not right...no child should be deprived of life...should a child be punisned for the actions of another whether it be rape, casual whatveer the case may be.

You should've went back a couple pages and read my first post. Your friend might be better place now, as are my niece and her brothers, but that doesn't make it "all better". It breaks my heart to see the damage done to my niece and her younger brothers, damage done by drugs. My niece has problems with her eyes, learning disabilities, and other psychological and developmental issues due to prenatal drug use by her mother and the neglect she went through after she was born. I am glad that she is here with my sister's family, and a part of my life. I would not trade knowing her for the world. I just cry for her sometimes, because her mother messed her up. She will never be a "normal" kid. Neither will her younger brother who was born addicted to crack. Neither will the scores of kids each year in the US alone who are born addicted to drugs, with HIV and AIDS, with Hepatitis C, born deformed, blind, deaf and mentally challenged from their mother's choice of lifestyle. No one lines up to adopt these children, no one wants damaged goods. In the state where I live, more children come into DFS custody each year than leave. The majority of children in the system are black, black/white biracial, or hispanic. A great deal of them have stories and circumstances that I would not want to be true for any human being.

I do not embrace the motto, "A bad life is better than no life at all." No, it is not. No one deserves to be neglected, beat on, dragged from hopeless situation to hopeless situation, and exposed to things that I wouldn't want my worst enemy to be exposed to. Lest not a child, especially. It makes me sick when all the conservatives gang up and say that "Abortion is murder.", "A clump of cells has feelings.", etc. because no one except whoever's in charge, if there is anyone charge, knows that for sure. We, as humans, don't. I define murder as intentionally killing someone. A living, breathing someone, who feels pain and can defend themselves or will at the very least fight back. Even a infant will resist dying. A fetus won't, or maybe I should say, can't fight for it's life unless it's past a certain point development-wise. Once a girl has reached that point, then all right, she shouldn't have an abortion. But if she hasn't, and the baby has no realistic hope of living, then abortion should be allowed and it should be a valid choice.

However, now we have all sorts of amazing technology that has kept babies as young as 5 months along (only second trimester) alive. So what does that mean? Second term means viable life?? That's where the government and most people falter. It's that no man's land second trimester. Is it life or is it not, we can't really decide for sure if we can save that life, should we try anyway?? These are complicated moral questions.

[misoshiru]

personally i am pro-choice. i believe that a person has the right to choose whether they live or die. in addition, i also believe that people have a choice to have an abortion if they realize very early on that the baby will be mentally retarded and/or deformed.

[sammi rules you]

You should've went back a couple pages and read my first post. Your friend might be better place now, as are my niece and her brothers, but that doesn't make it "all better". It breaks my heart to see the damage done to my niece and her younger brothers, damage done by drugs. My niece has problems with her eyes, learning disabilities, and other psychological and developmental issues due to prenatal drug use by her mother and the neglect she went through after she was born. I am glad that she is here with my sister's family, and a part of my life. I would not trade knowing her for the world. I just cry for her sometimes, because her mother messed her up. She will never be a "normal" kid. Neither will her younger brother who was born addicted to crack. Neither will the scores of kids each year in the US alone who are born addicted to drugs, with HIV and AIDS, with Hepatitis C, born deformed, blind, deaf and mentally challenged from their mother's choice of lifestyle. No one lines up to adopt these children, no one wants damaged goods. In the state where I live, more children come into DFS custody each year than leave. The majority of children in the system are black, black/white biracial, or hispanic. A great deal of them have stories and circumstances that I would not want to be true for any human being.

I do not embrace the motto, "A bad life is better than no life at all." No, it is not. No one deserves to be neglected, beat on, dragged from hopeless situation to hopeless situation, and exposed to things that I wouldn't want my worst enemy to be exposed to. Lest not a child, especially. It makes me sick when all the conservatives gang up and say that "Abortion is murder.", "A clump of cells has feelings.", etc. because no one except whoever's in charge, if there is anyone charge, knows that for sure. We, as humans, don't. I define murder as intentionally killing someone. A living, breathing someone, who feels pain and can defend themselves or will at the very least fight back. Even a infant will resist dying. A fetus won't, or maybe I should say, can't fight for it's life unless it's past a certain point development-wise. Once a girl has reached that point, then all right, she shouldn't have an abortion. But if she hasn't, and the baby has no realistic hope of living, then abortion should be allowed and it should be a valid choice.

However, now we have all sorts of amazing technology that has kept babies as young as 5 months along (only second trimester) alive. So what does that mean? Second term means viable life?? That's where the government and most people falter. It's that no man's land second trimester. Is it life or is it not, we can't really decide for sure if we can save that life, should we try anyway?? These are complicated moral questions.

very well said. my point exactly.

i would rather have a not yet living (by my view) fetus "die" than have two miserable lives go on.

[KERP1UNK]

i think it should be a woman's decision...wether she was raped or she did it of her own free will..

[fameONE]

I'm pro-choice because, as I said before, sometimes thats a decision a man cannot make. Furthermore, there are certain circumstances that would make abortion seem like a logical choice (rape, drugged up mother, unfit parents, etc).

Although, I'll be damned if my future wife ever has one. Its like when Kate had an abortion in The Godfather II. I can't help but to sympathize with Micheal, I mean, Don Corleone.

[lyin_in_wait]

Not that abortion is in anyway right.,yes killing an innocent fetus is wrong. BUT they are trying to take away a right that women all over have fought to have. (maybe not this exact right but hey...) I believe that a woman should have the choice. I would not like to get permission to do what i want with my body even if its the matter of a baby's life. You do what you gotta do, plus if they make it illegal thats not gonna stop abortions. Women would just go do it in other places, which could cause more problems. Also, all this talk about future Martin Luther Kings, teachers and scientists, you have no idea if that is true. There are other people who could replace them.

[sadolakced acid]

well, you're removing future JFKs and martin luther king jr.s. you're also killing future hitlers. so it about evens out.

[shnuzzles]

hmm im against it .. you had sex w/o bein careful suffer the consequences. ha! lols. okay okay ... no abortions on the pass the third trimester

[Heathasm]

i've though this over a lot

abortion should be illegal. NOTHING can justify taking a human's life, especially your own baby. If you chose to have sex, there should be no thought whatsoever of abortion if you get pregnat. If you're raped, there is always adoption. There is just no way to justify it. And its true that some women will go to desperate measures to get an abortion if its made illegal, all i have to say to that is that they deserve what they get if they hurt themselves in the process.

dont think im being close minded either, i used to be behind abortion. i just have more experience on the matter as of now.

[sadolakced acid]

NOTHING can justify it?

what if the baby would be miscarried anyways, because of a fatal defect?

what if the mother would die?

nothing can justify taking a life.

abortion is not taking a life.
end of story.

[sammi rules you]

how can you say it's not right for rape victims to have a choice? they weren't planning to have a kid, they could be 14 years old (even if not, no matter what age) and you expect them to have a kid as an 8th grader/freshman in high school just because it would be one more life? yes, they did go through a traumatic experience, and having a kid when you didn't want to with the genes of a rapist inside it would be even MORE of a traumatic experience.

the mother is still a child, basically. there would be no way she would be able to care for another child, so then what? dump the blame on her parents? make them take care of it and pay for it? they have jobs and things to do, they weren't planning for another kid either, just as the girl wasn't planning to have a kid at all.

would you not rather save one person's life from being miserable, or have two miserable lives, just so one POTENTIAL child is born?

:bored:

[Heathasm]

NOTHING can justify it?

what if the baby would be miscarried anyways, because of a fatal defect?

what if the mother would die?

Those things are all left to chance, i've never heard of a baby's fate known 100% to be a miscarriage. If the mother died, that would be sad, but at least she did all that she could to save her baby. Either way, with the way you put it, does that justify murdering your baby? I don't believe so.
if you're raped, does that justify murder?

nothing can justify taking a life.

abortion is not taking a life.
end of story.

keep telling yourself that, but it wont come true. as soon as a woman becomes pregnat the thing inside of her is a life and to take it away would be murder

[*CrackedRearView*]

Stupid college girl goes out on the weekend, gets plastered and has sex with three different guys. Finds out a week later that she's pregnant, freaks out, and goes to have an abortion.

I'm sorry, but if you're ignorant enough to coddle that kind of blind stupidity, then I have lost a good amount of hard-earned respect for you.

[*kryogenix*]

Stupid college girl goes out on the weekend, gets plastered and has sex with three different guys.  Finds out a week later that she's pregnant, freaks out, and goes to have an abortion.

I'm sorry, but if you're ignorant enough to coddle that kind of blind stupidity, then I have lost a good amount of hard-earned respect for you.

Exactly. I hate this kind of mentality. There are kids in the middle school (not even in highschool!) that think that it's ok for them to have sex, because they can always get an abortion.

Sad.

[Spirited Away]

Stupid college girl goes out on the weekend, gets plastered and has sex with three different guys.

High school girls, too.

[sadolakced acid]

abortion= removal of a parasite

removal of a parasite= medical treatment

medical treatment= cannot be denied.

anyways; if abortions were outlawed, black market drugs would come out that would cause the mother to abort the pregnacy.

[Heathasm]

abortion= removal of a parasite

removal of a parasite= medical treatment

medical treatment= cannot be denied.

anyways; if abortions were outlawed, black market drugs would come out that would cause the mother to abort the pregnacy.

thats a weak argument. human life isnt a parasite.

[sadolakced acid]

no. a placenta is anatomically a parasite.

[sikdragon]

Life, one of the many things we humans fail to comprehend. What causes it to start, what causes it to end. In the united states every man is made with three God given rights: life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Who are we to say that those who have the potential to live dont have the same rights as someone who his living and on that point who is to say when life begins? How can taking life be anything, but murder? Just because someon lacks the ability to scream out, "NO DON'T!" does that make the act of life taking consensual? Well, how can it be when those who want to die and even try to commit suicide are considered to be clinically insane? Murder is murder. Murder is wrong. Just because we're allowed to do something it doesn't mean we should. It's called responsibility.

[Melissad1016]

I would think it's the girl's fault for choosing to have sex in the first place.

the guy is not at fault?

pro-life or pro-choice... tough topic and widely discussed these days. The more I think about it the more I realize people need to mind their own business. I am pro-choice.

[sikdragon]

unless it's rape, it's the girls fault. The girl is still the gatekeeper, she chooses who she allows to stick the key in to unlock her.

Yes, everyone mind their own business, wait.... that's what's wrong with the world today. Everyone minds their own business while people are murdered, robbed, raped, and neglected. Everyone should care for their neighbor. Not to the point where the neigbor becomes dependant, but just enough so that no one feels alone. Communities should be communities, not groups of individuals, but a family who chooses to commune. The world is yours to break.

[*kryogenix*]

no.  a placenta is anatomically a parasite.

i don't like the parasite argument.

this so called "parasite" was made from the mother's cells. her decision allowed it to be created (unless she was raped, then that's a different story). it's not like it entered her body from the outside without her consent, like a tapeworm.

[sikdragon]

All children are by definition parasites. They feed off of their hosts without killing them. Does that mean we should go and kill off all children. Get real, that's like committing global genocide which is just stupid.