Abortion Options

[sadolakced acid]

servers are being weird.

anyways:

i'd like to take a sort of side track in this debate:

plan B, a.k.a. the abortion drug.

when taken it prevents a zygote from implanting in the uterus, and it fails to develop.

is this immoral as well?

[sammi rules you]

i agree with him. ^

i still think your name is justin and i haven't yet read anything that said it wasn't when i said this so i'll go with justin.

[tofuburger]

abortion's wrong...it doesn't matter how small or undeveloped it is..it's still living...

[sadolakced acid]

so a blastocyte of 8 cells is still alive?

you kill more cells than that when you get a cut.

[sammi rules you]

abortion's wrong...it doesn't matter how small or undeveloped it is..it's still living...

what if the birth could affect the mother's health? wouldn't you rather save a preexisting life than a not yet born one?

[*CrackedRearView*]

I'll again make my case...
A Feb. 13th edition (2004) of my local paper, the Kansas City Star published this editorial statistic:

"Of all abortions committed from Jan. 1990 [when clinics began logging causes of abortions] to Dec. 2003:

86% Unwanted pregnancy (female/parental choice)
12% Health risks (to mother)
1% Fatal health risks/deformalities (child)
1% Rape cases"

Read the print in bold.

Some 10,000+ abortions have happened in that time period.

Allow the whopping 14% of mothers with legitimate abortion reasons to have them.
Arrest/fine the 86% that needlessly murder children every week.

[sadolakced acid]

if you take away %86 of thier clients, then abortion clinics will have to close. this means the other %14 can't get an abortion anyways.

prove it's killing children. Last time i checked, a fetus was still a fetus, and a child had been born...

[racoons > you]

well the 14% of motehr with legitmate cases for abortion should be able to get them at the states expense

[Rachel]

I'll again make my case...
A Feb. 13th edition (2004) of my local paper, the Kansas City Star published this editorial statistic:

"Of all abortions committed from Jan. 1990 [when clinics began logging causes of abortions] to Dec. 2003:

86% Unwanted pregnancy (female/parental choice)
12% Health risks (to mother)
1% Fatal health risks/deformalities (child)
1% Rape cases"

Read the print in bold.

Some 10,000+ abortions have happened in that time period.

Allow the whopping 14% of mothers with legitimate abortion reasons to have them.
Arrest/fine the 86% that needlessly murder children every week.

and maybe the 86% who didnt want it had legitaate reasons. you have NO right to judge them, it is their decison.

[*CrackedRearView*]

All sentiment for the mother aside, the fact still remains:

Thousands of first/second trimester abortions happen weekly, most of which I can't but wince at because the fetus hasn't developed much (despite the fact that its heart is still beating).

My 'beef' with abortion is the fact that third trimester abortions are becoming commonplace. Yeah -- infant half out of the birth canal, its scalp is cut open, and the brains are vaccuumed through a tube.

As well, the statistic stands.

The United States federal legislature isn't stupid. We've never shaped laws to aid the moot percentage. I agree, the 14% in my figure should have every right to an abortion. It's called circumstantial law...

But when a freshman in college has a wild party at the lake one weekend, and comes home knocked up, I have no sympathy.

Quite frankly, if we're going to make laws to pamper people with that much stupidity, we have one piss poor Congress.

[sadolakced acid]

well; then it'd be an extra 860 unwanted babies a year.

adoption is good; but it's not the best. and plus; can it handle that many more people? are that many more babies going to be adopted?

[OriskybusinessO]

exactly, what about over population, if people got rid of UNBORN children they DIDNT WANT then that would be helping overpopulation. Not by much though... but still helping.

[*CrackedRearView*]

Oh, good logic. Let's off all of the mentally handicapped, disabled, and old people, too.

What a horrid, skewed reason to kill unborn fetuses...

[sadolakced acid]

ok. good point. money's not a reason to kill them.

but then again... it kinda requires considering them alive.

so when do you think a fetus is considered alive?

[iwalkbackwards]

All children have the right to live and their are millions of people all over the world who want children but can't have them because of reasons beyond their control.


OH, and BTW, they said the child isn't alive if they arn't breathing....If I hold your mouth closed, and your nose, and your not breathing but your heart is beating, your alive, right?

I'm pro-life, pro-choice. Women should have a choice, but I hate abortion...

because of her

vvvvvv

[*StanleyThePanda*]

All children have the right to live and their are millions of people all over the world who want children but can't have them because of reasons beyond their control.
OH, and BTW, they said the child isn't alive if they arn't breathing....If I hold your mouth closed, and your nose, and your not breathing but your heart is beating, your alive, right?

I'm pro-life, pro-choice.  Women should have a choice, but I hate abortion...

because of her

vvvvvv

agreed....except for pro-choice.....just pro-life.

[starducky21]

Pro-life all da way.  Life's life.  You can't just take it away no matter what the circumstances.  I can see how it's tough for rape victims, but they shouldn't take it out on the unborn child.  The rape victim has already become a victim.  Don't let the unborn child become a victim as well.

Heheh. This is cool. A debate section of cb.  Maybe I'll become a MASTER DEBATOR. LoL.

I totally agree w/ u on this one man.
Its not right to deny a child of life (even if it isnt born) just because u screwed up. If you know that your not ready 2 be a parent, use birth control. If you dont, then u obviously wouldnt mind being a parent. End of story.

And just because the rapee had 2 go through a traumatic experience, how do u think she will feel when they are killing the life in her? Its just not right. I mean, every one has a choice, and everyone's entitled to their own opinions... this is just my side of the story.

[iwalkbackwards]

agreed....except for pro-choice.....just pro-life.

I'm really, really on the edge about pro-choice, but I know that some women have to have an abortion to save themselves...but not many...thats why I'm on the edge.. :-/

[sammi rules you]

how can you say it's not right for rape victims to have a choice? they weren't planning to have a kid, they could be 14 years old (even if not, no matter what age) and you expect them to have a kid as an 8th grader/freshman in high school just because it would be one more life? yes, they did go through a traumatic experience, and having a kid when you didn't want to with the genes of a rapist inside it would be even MORE of a traumatic experience.

the mother is still a child, basically. there would be no way she would be able to care for another child, so then what? dump the blame on her parents? make them take care of it and pay for it? they have jobs and things to do, they weren't planning for another kid either, just as the girl wasn't planning to have a kid at all.

would you not rather save one person's life from being miserable, or have two miserable lives, just so one POTENTIAL child is born?

[sadolakced acid]

oh oh i have an idea!

let's make abortion illegal so everyone who didn't want the baby can have it anyways and bribe the doctor to break the neck and call it a still-born.

wonderful idea, don't you say?

[innovation]

apparently, i've posted here before.. but i don't feel like going through all 18 pages. basically, i'm against abortion ethically; however, there are many detriments to limiting abortion (dangerous attempts at aborting one's own fetus, etc.), which i'm sure people have mentioned previously in this thread. also, in our contemporary society, people tend to value the freedom of the living to choose over the freedom of the unborn to live. so going along with the general consensus, i doubt that there will be much abortion policy reform in the near future. a greater issue would be providing sterile, accessible abortion clinics to women around the world. this was actually a topic for Model UN, but we never got to it because of human trafficking.

[iwalkbackwards]

how can you say it's not right for rape victims to have a choice? they weren't planning to have a kid, they could be 14 years old (even if not, no matter what age) and you expect them to have a kid as an 8th grader/freshman in high school just because it would be one more life? yes, they did go through a traumatic experience, and having a kid when you didn't want to with the genes of a rapist inside it would be even MORE of a traumatic experience.

the mother is still a child, basically. there would be no way she would be able to care for another child, so then what? dump the blame on her parents? make them take care of it and pay for it? they have jobs and things to do, they weren't planning for another kid either, just as the girl wasn't planning to have a kid at all.

would you not rather save one person's life from being miserable, or have two miserable lives, just so one POTENTIAL child is born?

There's always adoption. Your forgetting that small factor.

[innovation]

There's always adoption.  Your forgetting that small factor.

the trauma of carrying a child, being scorned by peers, and the pain of actually delivering the child is often unbearable, even unthinkable, for many teen mothers. think about it: for 9 months, you would be carrying an unwanted baby around, vomiting, feeling all that discomfort.. just to give your baby away? and high schools these days aren't always accepting/supportive when it comes to pregnant teens.

[*StanleyThePanda*]

how can you say it's not right for rape victims to have a choice? they weren't planning to have a kid, they could be 14 years old (even if not, no matter what age) and you expect them to have a kid as an 8th grader/freshman in high school just because it would be one more life? yes, they did go through a traumatic experience, and having a kid when you didn't want to with the genes of a rapist inside it would be even MORE of a traumatic experience.

the mother is still a child, basically. there would be no way she would be able to care for another child, so then what? dump the blame on her parents? make them take care of it and pay for it? they have jobs and things to do, they weren't planning for another kid either, just as the girl wasn't planning to have a kid at all.

would you not rather save one person's life from being miserable, or have two miserable lives, just so one POTENTIAL child is born?

yes, if its rape then abortion is fine...but if they dont want it just because then I think abortion is bad.
abortion is bad either way....but if it was rape I understand.

[Rachel]

There's always adoption.  Your forgetting that small factor.

do you know how tramautic it is to have the baby and then have to give it away? i don't think so.




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there are soo many other reasons why people choose to have an abortion, not just rape and harmful to the mother. the government should have NO say in whether or not your reason is good enough.