Abortion Options

[Xprezsion]

I am all for abortion, I think it is a woman's choice. I especially hate when people refuse to give women the morning after pill if they were raped, that is so unfair, it is not the woman's fault. Also if a teen gets pregnant and has no way to care for it, she should get an abortion because there are too many kids in orphanages and too many people in the world. I hate it when male priests and people like that say that women are commiting sins, I would love for them to be pregnant and see how fun it is if they aren't ready or prepared. I also think embryo's should be used for steam cell research if women donate them and don't want them. (sorry if I sound really negative and mean!)

[freeflow]

LIKE ^ i also think its the womans choice on what she wants to me . i personally get sad when i hear how someone is going to get an abortion but hey its there choice and therre life sooo they can do what they want .

[racoons > you]

^^

Yes but should it be they're choice when it's another potential life that they are ending?

[ilauqh]

I am against abortion, it does not matter how far the baby is, it is still living. It was the girl's mistake for having sex when she shouldn't have and it is her responsibility to have to deal with the consequences of going through labor whether she decides to keep the baby or not. If she really does not want to have the baby I think she really should have to and put it up for adoption or something. But, there are some cases where I think abortion might be okay. Ex. she was rapped, she cannot physically deliver the baby, etc.

[Nashvixen]

Geez...I'm placing my views...political and personal here...
Umm... touchy...
If I myself were to become pregnant, under absolutely ANY circumstance, I'd keep my baby. I don't care if I were raped, physically unable, or whatever. I'd give up whatever I had to lose with open hands.
If it were my own choices that caused me to get pregnant, I wouldn't even think about getting an abortion. Never. I believe in taking responsibilty for my actions and whatever life hands me (as far as offspring is concerned).
Politically, I think abortion should be allowed. It's going to happen either way, but if it's legal, there will be cleaner ways of performing the procedure than there would be if it were not legal. Honestly, I don't want women to have to go to a clothes hanger to relieve an emotional grievance.
Some women have been killed by men because they come up pregnant, and then two human lives are lost. Unclean abortion can give women infections and such that can cause death or unutterable physical pain. As far as my political views, I'd rather let one live than none.
But if every woman were like me, we be pretty screwed too.

[yukichan]

I'm pro - choice.

PRO CHOICE DOES NOT EQUAL PRO ABORTION.

I feel a woman has the right to decide what to do with her own body.  I personally would never get an abortion, but if someone I know decided to get one, I would be there for her.

i agree..
like if a woman was raped and she doesnt want to go through the complications of birth then i think she should be allowed to choose if she wants the baby or not..i dont think its fair that a woman cant choose with what she wants to do when it wasnt her fault she got preganant..and i dont think men priests or religious ppl say thats a sin b/c a woman gets a abortion..they dont know what its like for them to get pregnant when they dont want to be..

[mouse_3k]

Im totally for it. The reason

-Abortion may be the last resort to save the mother's life or something
-Its their choice, let them do whatever they want
-and yes if she was raped and didnt want the rapist child, then yah she should have the right to give it up in abortion

-and it may be some medical problem with the birth or somethin so they basically must have the abortion.

[sammi rules you]

or the condom could break or something. most of the time they don't, but you never know. it happens. if you're 16 and in high school and for some coincidence your condom broke, it's not sensible to have a baby. you wouldn't be able to raise it, or give it the right home. even if you give it to adoption, there's only so many people who want to adpot a baby. they might be in orphan home their whole lives. what kind of life is that?

[Rachel]

they have sex it's their responsiblitity

what about rape?

[sadolakced acid]

wow. because everyone's opinions are such great facts to support arguments with, i think i'm anti-women's-rights now.


heard them all before. anyways...

here is a nice description of how they do the now illegal partial birth abortion which bush says is a brutal practice. it's not graphic, don't worry.

they collapse the skull and pull it out.

now here's a description of how they do the still legal regular abortion which bush doesn't say is a brutal practice. this isn't graphic either.

they cut the baby into many little pieces and pull it out.


yes, abortions are not happy things. but it's still a right what someone does with thier body, is it not?

a fetus is techically a parisite. it is a foriegn form that attempts to steal nutrition from the mother.

the mother's body tries to get rid of the fetus. it's not part of her; why would it want to keep it? however; the father's genes suppress this reaction, and it is these paternal genes that make the placenta, which subequently invades the mother's body.

The government cannot deny someone the right to medical treatment.

the removal of a parasite is medical treatment.

the governmetn cannot deny someone the right to an abortion.

[Spirited Away]

As much as I'm pro-choice, as stated in earlier posts, I still believe that it is immoral.

Aside from desperation, such as in the cases where the unborn offspring holds the life and death and wellness of the mother in its existence, I cannot fathom why a mother would want to destroy, mutilate her child to-be for the sake of convenience. It makes me wonder the kinds of women who would want to go through the whole ordeal.

[innovation]

bleh, there's so much science involved in this. i need to do far more research before i can even attempt to make an argument.

</3 science.

[gigiopolis]

a fetus is techically a parisite.  it is a foriegn form that attempts to steal nutrition from the mother. 

the mother's body tries to get rid of the fetus.  it's not part of her; why would it want to keep it? however; the father's genes suppress this reaction, and it is these paternal genes that make the placenta, which subequently invades the mother's body. 

The government cannot deny someone the right to medical treatment. 

the removal of a parasite is medical treatment.

the governmetn cannot deny someone the right to an abortion.

So much for the miracle of life.

[Nashvixen]

wow.  because everyone's opinions are such great facts to support arguments with, i think i'm anti-women's-rights now. 
heard them all before.  anyways...

it's still a right what someone does with thier body, is it not? 

a fetus is techically a parisite.  it is a foriegn form that attempts to steal nutrition from the mother. 

the mother's body tries to get rid of the fetus.  it's not part of her; why would it want to keep it? however; the father's genes suppress this reaction, and it is these paternal genes that make the placenta, which subequently invades the mother's body. 

The government cannot deny someone the right to medical treatment. 

the removal of a parasite is medical treatment.

the governmetn cannot deny someone the right to an abortion.

I made the "fetuses are really just parasites" argument with my dad once. I was practically bawling from laughter after reading this. (And it's spelled PARASITE)
Honestly, you have a frighteningly reasonable point. Fetuses are, in fact, parasites by definiton! I never did think about the abortion issue while debating that with my father. (Woah... I'm experiencing some major deja vous.) Scaryish.
I have a problem with only one thing...
Hmm... Anti-women's rights... Even though your post was brillant, I'd have to point out that little comment that lead the way...
Certainly not all women believe in abortion. In fact, there is an utterly high homocide rate of pregnant women because they refused to have an abortion. Men who would like to consider themselves "men" want the women they impregnate to relieve them of their paternal responsibilities when it all catches up with them. Sure sometimes it is the woman's choice completely, but I take offense to a GRAND extent for reject women's rights because of both of the gender's choices and mistakes.
Please re-think that...

[sadolakced acid]

i'm sorry... women currently have the right to choose to have or not to have an abortion.

making abortions illegal takes away that right.

it is anti-women's rights to me.

[Nashvixen]

i'm sorry...  women currently have the right to choose to have or not to have an abortion.
making abortions illegal takes away that right. 
it is anti-women's rights to me.

I stil have some problem with the way that sounds...

if you believe in anti-women's rights, then i say i don't believe that men should have rights either (which is basically the male equal to what you were saying), would you agree with me?
so you're saying that women shouldn't have the right to have an abortion because they're actually killing a human being...correct? but this moral doesn't apply to men?
what if i said i think we should ban all military operations just because our offensive and defensive forces are capable of killing another human being. it's the same really.
a baby is by definition a parasite to the mother's body, and a terroist is a parasite to the country it attacks.
once again i'd like to point out that being "anti-women's rights" implies that you'd prefer to deny all rights to women. no exception. i could be wrong but wouldn't that be better put, "anti-abortion rights".

[Aesirus]

To Fast Country/Southern Gospel Music

Peggy Sue got pregnant,
And was addicted to fifteen drugs,
She went to the abortion clinic,
And was accosted by right-wing thugs.

Chorus:
Oh will the fetus be aborted?
By and by, Lord, by and by.
There's a better home a-waiting,
In the sky, Lord, in the sky.

Little Mary was just eleven,
When she was raped by her own dad,
Dan Quayle said, "Have that baby,"
But another choice she had.

Chorus

Rachael's pregnancy would kill her,
Doctor's warning gave her stife,
Fundamentalists said, "Jesus take her!"
She said, "I want my right to life."

Chorus

Kathy had two kids already,
And an abortion is what she chose,
Christians showed her a bloody fetus,
She said, "That's fine, I'll have one of those."

Chorus

Tanya lived for revolution,
Wanted to overthrow the state,
She had fifteen commie babies,
Phyllis Schlafly ain't that great?

Chorus

Oh will the fetus be aborted?
By and by, Lord, by and by,
There's a better home a-waitin',
In the sky, Lord, in the sky,
Oh will the fetus be aborted?
By and by, Lord, by and by,
There's a better home a-waitin',
In the sky, Lord, in the sky,
In the sky, Lord, in the sky,
In the sky, Lord, in the sky...

[Nashvixen]

They're traumatized because of people harassing them for the "sins" they've commited. 95% of people's reasons for being against abortion are religious.

True, but not completely. In some instances, the woman drives herself crazy because of the decision. Sometimes, the father doesn't want to accept the responsibility heaved upon him and therefore rejects it. This can cause the woman to choose abortion or emotional distress to the point of miscarriage.
Well, I think some of my opposing abortion in my own life is religious, but only the tiny minority. I, personally, would never have an abortion for the simple fact that (if I am to ever have children) that I will and already do love them for who they are or will be. But I see how you could say it's mostly because of religion. Basically, abortion is a sin, but so is corrupting the Sabbath, so if we oppoase abortion, let's all sit on our butts on Saturday, and make it to church on time Sunday.

[sadolakced acid]

I stil have some problem with the way that sounds...

if you believe in anti-women's rights, then i say i don't believe that men should have rights either (which is basically the male equal to what you were saying), would you agree with me?
so you're saying that women shouldn't have the right to have an abortion because they're actually killing a human being...correct? but this moral doesn't apply to men?
what if i said i think we should ban all military operations just because our offensive and defensive forces are capable of killing another human being. it's the same really.
a baby is by definition a parasite to the mother's body, and a terroist is a parasite to the country it attacks.
once again i'd like to point out that being "anti-women's rights" implies that you'd prefer to deny all rights to women. no exception. i could be wrong but wouldn't that be better put, "anti-abortion rights".

i believe you miss understand me.

i do not use the terms pro-life and pro-choice. i use the terms anti-women's rights (for banning abortion) and pro-women's rights (for keeping it like it is).

this is because i consider abortion a women's rights, andif you start taking away some rights, the rest soon folllow.

[Angel_Cece]

i dont know too much about it. but from what i heard its very bad.

[Nashvixen]

i believe you miss understand me.

i do not use the terms pro-life and pro-choice.  i use the terms anti-women's rights (for banning abortion) and pro-women's rights (for keeping it like it is).

this is because i consider abortion a women's rights, andif you start taking away some rights, the rest soon folllow.

I really do hope I'm misunderstanding you, honestly.
But I wish you saw my point. Women have more rights than just this one, and using rights in the plural sense implies that you don't believe in a woman having rights. I just wish you would use a different term for this belief.
Reread your statement and think about it from a female's perspective (if you're capable of doing so), and tell me if the words you chose sound a bit chauvenistic. (Abortion isn't a "rights". It's a "right" (or better put "privilege"). So, this is why it sounds like you oppose the "rights" of women instead of this particular "right".
You say that "if you start taking away some rights, the rest will follow." So tell me... when parents of a rebellious teenager take away so much, doesn't he still act reckless? When you freeze water or boil water isn't it still water?
Or do you think that abortion in all forms will just come to an end because it's no longer legal? Smoking marijuana is also illegal, but it happens EVERY SINGLE DAY but a large amount of people. It's not going away any time soon.
Justify all that.

[sadolakced acid]

please read the rest of this thread.
and then reconsider
where you believe i stand on this topic.

because i think my tactics have caused you to missunderstand me.

i am argueing for keeping abortions legal.

my post (the one about the fetus being a parasite) was purposefully blunt and demeaning to the fetus.

also, i sometimes will 'argue' for the other side (than the one i'm argueing) as a debate tactic.

and the ocassional sarcasm will slip into my posts.

wow.  because everyone's opinions are such great facts to support arguments with, i think i'm anti-women's-rights now.
heard them all before.  anyways...

i said that merely because the opposision (opposed to me) was just giving opinions and not supporting them.


sorry if my posts are confusing.

[Nashvixen]

please read the rest of this thread.
and then reconsider
where you believe i stand on this topic. 

because i think my tactics have caused you to missunderstand me.

i am argueing for keeping abortions legal.

my post (the one about the fetus being a parasite) was purposefully blunt and demeaning to the fetus. 

also, i sometimes will 'argue' for the other side (than the one i'm argueing) as a debate tactic.

and the ocassional sarcasm will slip into my posts.
i said that merely because the opposision (opposed to me) was just giving opinions and not supporting them. 
sorry if my posts are confusing.

OH, okay.. that makes me feel a little bit better. I understand now. Thank you

[bebebasa89]

abortion is murder...that`s where i stand.

[sadolakced acid]

^ care to support your stand?

or do you want to just state your opinion and not debate?